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Peanut, who has amassed more than half a million Instagram followers, was euthanized by officials to be tested for rabies.

Peanut, the Instagram-famous squirrel that was seized from its owner's home Wednesday, has been euthanized by New York state officials. 

The New York State Department of Environmental Conservation took Peanut, as well as a raccoon named Fred, on Wednesday after the agency learned the animals were “sharing a residence with humans, creating the potential for human exposure to rabies," it said in a joint statement with the Chemung County Department of Health.

Both Peanut and Fred were euthanized to test for rabies, the statement said. It was unclear when the animals were euthanized.

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[–] JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 78 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That guy sucks for keeping wild animals without the proper certification and training resulting in no medical care for the animals.

At the same time I'm also skeptical of how the state handled it because I feel it's important to remember that policies and how situations are handled can always use improvement.

For example, how did the investigator get bitten? Were they wearing proper protective gear and following procedure? Was he or she properly trained to detain animals like a squirrel? If the state is going to send people to confiscate wild animals a bite incident is a big fucking deal and there should be an internal investigation as to how that happened. For both the future safety of the employees and animals.

This whole situation sucks.

[–] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I think this is a fantastic story of perspective. Not doing the bare minimum to ensure you retain control over the animals you claim to love (and most certainly capitalized on monetarily) vs NYS immediately escalating this to baffling levels of stupid instantly.

[–] ZeroTHM@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Ridiculous and wholly unnecessary government overreach. Every official that touched this should be fired and publicly dragged through the mud.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

OK, we have very serious, and honestly, pants-shittingly paranoid responses to rabies for a really good fucking reason:

If you show symptoms, you are dead. Period. And not a nice death.

When I was young, you saw a wild dog, lot of people would reach for their rifle, it was just their reflex.

Maybe we have to update the laws, but they are there for a reason, and one of those reasons is why we don't have too many rabies deaths in this country, and we are still considered one of the countries with high risk of rabies.

Tl;Dr - don't fuck with rabies.

[–] joel_feila@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago (3 children)

They put the animals in isolation and re turn them when they are cleared. I know they can that's what happened to my neighbor's dog after it bit someone.

[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

They do that for dogs, cats and ferrets.

Dogs, cats and ferrets

Following rabies exposure, unvaccinated dogs, cats, and ferrets should be euthanized since no licensed biologics can ensure that they do not develop rabies. If the owner declines, dogs and cats need a strict 4-month quarantine, and ferrets need strict 6-month quarantine. They also need immediate rabies vaccination. Demonstrating an adequate serological response to vaccination may result in health officials reducing the quarantine period. Quarantine should be conducted in a secure facility that ensures people and other animals do not become exposed.

Other mammals

Other mammals should be euthanized immediately.

https://www.cdc.gov/rabies/hcp/veterinarians/index.html

We do not know how long rabies incubates in all animals, and they do NOT FUCK AROUND WITH THIS!!!

I spoke to vets, their faces go to stone when rabies exposure seriously comes up, this is not a disease, it is a literal nightmare, the worst zombie scenario you can imagine made reality.

It tears apart your mind completely and there is no treatment at all. Your family gets to watch.

This is just nothing to fuck with.

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[–] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Those officials think rabies is like a magical disease. It suddenly manifests are seven years. What a bunch of trash humans.

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[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Harambe 2.0

We just jumped timelines again.

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[–] borf@lemmynsfw.com 158 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Peanut had been living with owner Mark Longo for seven years

Man. What a feel-bad story. There's a certain kind of person who takes glee in destroying others' joy and they will use any technicality to get the excuse to do so all while blathering "the law is the law, the law is the law."

Seven years. What a shameful travesty.

[–] ravhall@discuss.online 38 points 6 days ago

Republicans. Unless they want a squirrel.

[–] its_prolly_fine@sh.itjust.works 105 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (17 children)

Okay, I was initially totally against the DEC but reading the article really changed my mind. You need a license to own wild animals in NY. Ya know cause they should not be pets... also wildlife rehabilitation requires a license and training. Also rehabilitating means returning them to the wild. Not to mention an extra license and training for animals that are common carriers of rabies.

He has a squirrel for 7 years as a pet without a license with zero intention to rehabilitate his animals. He was using them to make money. Getting them to do tricks, wear hats and clothes. He essentially had a roadside zoo, but his customers were online. He says he was in the process of getting a license. He had the squirrel for 7 years, and was actively collecting more animals. This guy sucks, no wonder people were reporting him.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 56 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

I feel like I’m going nuts, is nobody on lemmy actually reading this article? This dude turbo sucked.

Longo brought Peanut him home, ultimately caring for the squirrel for eight months before trying to release it back into the wild. He said Peanut returned to his porch a day and a half later with a broken bone sticking out of its tail, at which point Longo determined Peanut couldn't survive in the wild alone and instead would move in with him.

Didn’t get him veterinary care though, because that would have resulted in his Cool Pet being taken away. What’s wrong with a little risk of sepsis and zero pain control for a serious injury if someone really, really wants to be a special boy??

[–] its_prolly_fine@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 days ago

Oh yeah, this guy sucks. He was using the squirrel as a money-making scheme. Check out his website if you want to get more angry.

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[–] lemonmelon@lemmy.world 63 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Oh man I don't enjoy being that guy right now but for the love of all, It's CUSTOMERS. Costumers are people who work in dress-up.

I've only seen this in the past few years, but it's become such a common mistake. I don't understand it.

Sorry, I mean you're making a salient point about the lack of a license and all. Even so, if he's been caring for the squirrel domestically for seven years, where do they think the supposed rabies would have come from? It doesn't just manifest.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

All these mistakes grind my gears, but this one is especially bad. Some of them make sense because of the way the word is pronounced.

Who is out there saying costumers instead of customers? Nobody says it like that.

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[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 41 points 6 days ago (1 children)

A wildlife rehabilitator (Nessie) on TikTok pointed out that his squirrel and his raccoon would not have had access to veterinary care (ie, vaccination for rabies).

She also pointed out that showcasing wildlife in social media is currently unregulated - in person exhibitions requiring an expensive license to get. This is a bit of a loophole, and what that guy did is likely to get that loophole closed up, and impact sanctuaries that do operate within the current law while using social media platforms to fundraise.

Also, personally, the way he showcased the animals just seemed inappropriate - squirrels eating human food just seems problematic. Iirc he ran a domestic rescue, not a wildlife rescue, which is a different skill set. Wildlife rescuers avoid interacting with animals as much as possible. Animals aren’t toys and don’t have the same kinds of needs we do, and the fact they are cute shouldn’t complicate our emotions.

[–] its_prolly_fine@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Social media is unregulated but owning them isn't. He needed a license to keep them, which he didn't have. And the "sanctuary" is just for domestics that was started last year. The website sells t shirts and options for donations. It seems like they got internet famous because of the squirrel and opened this as a way to make money.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Yeah - the more I look into it, the less sympathetic I am. There’s a lot of good reasons to have regulations for wildlife. A lot of “common sense” is just wrong (like the “mother birds abandon babies because of human scent”), and sometimes that gets animals killed unnecessarily. Folks assume because they know how to deal with a cat or a dog that squirrels and raccoons will be similar - they aren’t.

Legitimate wildlife rescues with ambassador animals don’t typically present them as pets. An animal being unreleasable is a fail state. A legitimate rescue will be trying to make the most out of a bad situation. When I’ve talked to keepers or watched vids online, they understand it as tragic that the animal will not be able to live its life independently - the fact that they can make money because people like getting to see cute animals is just trying to get something good out of it.

Squirrels aren’t domestic. They aren’t supposed to live with us.

[I’m not a wildlife expert, but I’ve shoveled shit as a volunteer at lots of different types of refuges and have chatted with many of the types of folks who run these places]

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[–] NoForwardslashS@sopuli.xyz 96 points 6 days ago (5 children)

The only charge is "potential to spread rabies" and they killed the animal to test for that (for some reason). So, if the test comes back negative, they will make full repariations right?

[–] borf@lemmynsfw.com 80 points 6 days ago (5 children)

No, the cruelty is the point. The kind of people who made this happen have common sense just like the rest of us, that 7-year-old squirrel didn't have rabies. They refuse to make exceptions or use common sense because they specifically want to hurt others.

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[–] SARGE@startrek.website 40 points 6 days ago (3 children)

full repariations

And surely such reparations would take into account future lost revenue, as they would be expected to it this were a regular person against a corporation.

Surely.

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[–] HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works 33 points 6 days ago (25 children)

It's because rabies infects the brains of animals, so that's the tissue that is tested.

I'm wondering why the people who were caring for the animals didn't just get them rabies shots in the first place.

[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 25 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I wonder why animal control officers who handle animals suspected of having rabies DON'T HAVE THEIR FUCKING RABIES VACCINATION. I needed a thousand dollar shot just to volunteer for a fucking animal shelter.

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[–] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 23 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Unfortunately rabies testing requires samples of the brain. This is why if you are bitten by an animal you suspect of having rabies, a professional should catch it and test the animal. The tests that exist for diagnosis in living humans are not reliable.

https://www.cdc.gov/rabies/php/laboratories/diagnostic.html#:~:text=Rabies%20testing%20requires%20that%20the,after%20an%20animal%20is%20euthanized.

In this case I didn't open the story to see why they believed a domesticated squirrel needed to be tested.

Edit: somebody that didn't interact with the animals complained they might have rabies?

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[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 54 points 6 days ago (3 children)
[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 27 points 5 days ago (6 children)

TBH this really shouldn't radicalize you. This is what people are supposed to do when an animal bites somebody. The thing that was done incorrectly was creating a situation where an animal could bite a person.

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[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

Oops! They didn't have rabies! Here you go! They're in the bag.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 33 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (11 children)

The statement said one of the officials involved in the investigation into Peanut and Fred was bitten by the squirrel.

Sorry but they had no real choice on this one. Vaccines can and should be administered immediately to any human bitten by an animal in all cases, but vaccines are not foolproof and the animals must be tested. The only method to test for rabies is removal of brain tissue.

Just because a wild animal is docile to some humans or has its own social media account does not mean they are pets and they should never have been in this situation unless the property owner was a certified rescue and rehab.

[–] HurlingDurling@lemmy.world 32 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The dude had started getting his certification seeing as the squirrel didn't want to return to nature and had become domesticated when the raid happened. The owner wanted to be in line with the law, but that apparently just put a giant flag on him. Also, do they have to conduct a surprise raid instead of just approaching the guy and attempting to be civil with him? I saw no information that a civil approach was taken.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 13 points 5 days ago (3 children)

The NBCNews article doesn't mention the word raid anywhere, it says inspection. If you know more about the story then your words are plausible but going by the article your account doesn't match. The owner waited 7 years to try for certification, supposedly.

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[–] laverabe@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

but vaccines are not foolproof

Yes they are. Only pointing out so there is not unnecessary fear spread about rabies. It is 100% preventable before or after exposure.

Does the rabies vaccine work? The rabies vaccine works remarkably well. Studies indicate that if the vaccine is given immediately and appropriately to someone who was bitten by a rabid animal, it is 100 percent effective.

https://www.chop.edu/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-details/rabies-vaccine

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[–] NENathaniel@lemmy.ca 40 points 6 days ago

What a depressing story

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 50 points 6 days ago (7 children)

Wild squirrels are not legal pets in NY—not that the legality necessitates this cruel outcome.

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[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 49 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Disgusting, FYI yes squirrels can carry rabies, but it is extremely, I say again EXTREMELY rare, and transmission to a human via a squirrel is even MORE rare than that. Typically rabies just outright kills small rodents such as squirrels

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[–] rotten@lemm.ee 24 points 6 days ago (3 children)

This is what government does. It finds you breaking some arbitrary rule and makes the worst possible outcome for all parties involved. Then they pretend and act like it's for your own good.

Squirrels don't normally carry rabies. There were plenty of other options.

[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Squirrels don't normally carry rabies.

While not impossible, it's actually considered near impossible by experts. For whatever reason, smaller mammals seem to simply not be affected by rabies.

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago (3 children)

There were no other options, imo. The inspector who was bitten likely did get a vaccine immediately, but vaccines are not guaranteed to work. There is no reliable way to test an animal for rabies without killing it.

These rules exist to help people and animals, and law enforcement followed them all to the letter.

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[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

"I was just going through our daily routine of feeding all of our 71 rescued horses"

Okay now he's just flexing

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