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  • Swedish Minister wants to deport migrants who do not hold Swedish citizenship if they show support to terrorist groups.
  • The spokesperson for migration policy in Sweden wants the law to be even more stringent - to include anyone who shows such acts of support.
  • Tourists, citizens, and residence permit holders can all be affected by such changes.
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[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 98 points 6 days ago (2 children)

...and let me guess. Critizing Israel's actions is tacit support of Hezbollah?

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 61 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Sweden up until recently had freedom of organization protected in the constitution. This was changed in a recent constitutional amendment at the request of Turkey, as a prerequisite to join NATO. Turkey demanded that Sweden arrest "PKK members" (aka journalists that Erdogan doesn't like), and to show support, both the Andersson and Kristersson administrations revived a constitutional amendment from 2021 and pushed it through, making it illegal to be a member of a terrorist organization.

https://www.regeringen.se/rattsliga-dokument/statens-offentliga-utredningar/2021/03/sou-202115/

https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2022/6/pdf/220628-trilat-memo.pdf

https://lagen.nu/2022:666

It's really an unfortunate development, since the terms "terrorist organization" and "support to terrorism" is so poorly defined, and it's clearly intended to punish political opposition in dictatorships, like Turkish and Kurdish opposition in Turkey. Very much a chilling effect on political discussion when foreign political oppositions are banned from speaking in Sweden, even when racist hate groups are still allowed to speak.

It does seem that the current law is still quite limited, at least. The Terrorist crime law of 2022 (Terroristbrottslagen) outlaws support, propagandizing, and recruiting for terrorist organizations, but this seems to be limited to only material support, organized propaganda and organization leadership. Simply going around waving a PKK flag still is legal, for now.

https://www.ui.se/utrikesmagasinet/analyser/2023/juli/terrorlagar-domstolar-far-bedoma-flaggviftning/

So luckily, I don't think it's possible to be deported simply for expressing expressing pro-Kurdish or pro-Palestinian independence ideas, or even expressing support for the violent people in PKK or Hamas.

Johan Forssell has also expressed a wish for a new law making it illegal to be in a criminal gang, but this has not passed yet. His view on the ongoing wars with Israel seems to be that Israel "has a right to defend itself", but that civilians must be protected and receive aid.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 16 points 6 days ago

Close. It makes you a Hamas headquarters.

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 53 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Hope nobody here supports Nelson Mandela.

[–] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago

Best deport all Swedish politicians in parliament in 1990: https://archive.nelsonmandela.org/index.php/za-com-mr-s-24 And the party that this minister is in was against supporting the ANC and Mandela. So I would not be surprised if this argument won't move him.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 41 points 6 days ago (4 children)

It doesn't matter where in the world you are, the issue with forcibly deporting people is always the same: what do you do if the country you want to deport them to refuses to take them?

And the only answers I can see are let them go free in your country or keep them locked up indefinitely.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago (1 children)

And it's kind if shitty to try to just throw the problem at another country.

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[–] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago

That is true. The swedish government is pushing quite hard to overfill prisons, probably in a long term plan to force it towards privatization. So I would not be surprised if it is even part of the plan.

But, also, I think one strategy suggested is just paying them. Threaten with prison, see at what price they break.

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[–] b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 days ago

Yes, anyone who supports Israel should be deported to The Hague.

[–] Name@feddit.nu 15 points 6 days ago (8 children)

The law proposal doesn't affect citizens (according to the government). So it's a law specifically meant to be unequal.

Citizen? Cheer for terrorists all you want! It's your right!

Non-citizen? Deportion.

[–] ColdWater@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

Where would Swedish government deport native Swedish citizens to? Ohio?

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[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (19 children)

This sounds very unconstitutional? It does say "everyone" so the principle of equality under the law should apply. Right???

EDIT, aw fuck:

Non-Swedish citizens and non-Swedish legal persons Art. 3. For those who are not Swedish citizens or Swedish legal persons, special restrictions may be laid down in law in respect of freedom of expression under this Fundamental Law.

Well that sounds horrible. Sweden, do better.

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[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 13 points 6 days ago

Is the BDS movement classified as a terrorist organisation? What about ANTIFA?

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

The same minister probably:

That party who are against me, I'd call them terrorists!

[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Good, immigrants who support terrorism don’t belong in Sweden or any other Western country.

Send them back and let them live with the organization they support.

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

So we should deport Israelis because Israel backed Hamas' displacement of the secular moderates with predictable results?

Don't pretend your hatred is principled.

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Yeah, this suuuurely won't be used to silence pro-Palestine protestors.

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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Because what we've found is governments are so good at determining who is right in a particular conflict.

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[–] Name@feddit.nu 4 points 5 days ago (4 children)

The issue here is citizens are still allowed to support terrorist organisations since it's part of free opininon and free speech. So it's a discriminatory law, which is against the principle of rule of law and equality before the law.

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