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Argentina’s security forces have announced plans to use artificial intelligence to “predict future crimes” in a move experts have warned could threaten citizens’ rights.

The country’s far-right president Javier Milei this week created the Artificial Intelligence Applied to Security Unit, which the legislation says will use “machine-learning algorithms to analyse historical crime data to predict future crimes”. It is also expected to deploy facial recognition software to identify “wanted persons”, patrol social media, and analyse real-time security camera footage to detect suspicious activities.

While the ministry of security has said the new unit will help to “detect potential threats, identify movements of criminal groups or anticipate disturbances”, the Minority Report-esque resolution has sent alarm bells ringing among human rights organisations.

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[–] Deestan@lemmy.world 179 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Tech guy here.

This is a tech-flavored smokescreen to avoid responsibility for misapplied law enforcement.

[–] Johnmannesca@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

By innate definition, everyone has the potential for criminality, especially those applying and enforcing the law; as a matter of fact, not even the ai is above the law unless that's somehow changing. We need a lot of things on Earth first, like an IoT consortium for example, but an ai bill of rights in the US or EU should hopefully set a precedent for the rest of the world.

[–] Deestan@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago

The AI is a pile of applied stastistic models. The humans in charge of training it, testing it and acting on its input have full control and responsibility for anything that comes out of it. Personifying or otherwise separating an AI system from being the will of its controllers is dangerous as it erodes responsibility.

Racist cops have used "I go where the crime is" as an exuse to basically hunt minorities for sport. Do not allow them to say "the AI model said this was efficient" and pretend it is not their own full and knowing bias directing them.

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[–] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 107 points 3 months ago (6 children)
[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And that one Futurama episode

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[–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

With even more Scientology I'm sure, somehow.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago (3 children)

There's actually a subtle knock on Scientology that I think even Tom Cruise missed in that film. The drug he's addicted to that ruins his life is called 'Clarity.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clear_(Scientology)

[–] magnor@lemmy.magnor.ovh 4 points 3 months ago

Missed that one, good catch!

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[–] Canadian_anarchist@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 months ago (5 children)

There's also an anime, PsycoPass, that has a similar theme.

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[–] Sho@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Oh god...soon we wont be able to create any more Sci-fi movies out of fear some idiot with too much money and power thinks to use them like "How to..." videos.

[–] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 3 months ago

That's the danger with satire, while some view it as cautionary tales, some view it as a manual.

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Good news! We made the Torment Nexus from the hit book "Don't Create the Torment Nexus!"

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[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 46 points 3 months ago (3 children)

The world’s first “anarchist” president, everyone.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 27 points 3 months ago (4 children)

"Anarchocapitalist"

And honestly, even that's bullshit. You can't be anarchocapitalist and a social conservative.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago (4 children)

lol what. I've never seen any ancap who isn't fascist by another name. all capitalists are conservatives.

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[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

Yeah but a lot of “anarcho” capitalists claim to be just another type of anarchist. This is the point I’m making, which is that they are very much not real anarchists.

Since it’s a shallow ideology with no strong moral principles, it’s not surprising that its adherents hold contradictory viewpoints like social conservatism.

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[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

He's a liberal libertarian! That's what he's been saying after consulting his *checks notes* cloned dog.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 42 points 3 months ago

Would you believe it, all those political enemies and protesters turned out to be future criminals?

How fortunate we developed this system!

[–] original_reader@lemm.ee 42 points 3 months ago (4 children)
[–] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Yeah, but Person of Interest turns it around (at least for quite some time) and makes it like the precrime thing is a good idea. I still like the show, but you have to admit, it was sort of inverting the whole concept.

[–] Josey_Wales@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (5 children)
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[–] PixelTron@lemm.ee 28 points 3 months ago

Have they hired Tom Cruise yet?

[–] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's already tried. In the end the AI is just an electronic version of existing police biases.

Police files more reports and arrests in poor neighborhoods because they patrol more there. Reports get used as training data and AI predicts more crime in poor areas. Those areas now get over patrolled and the tension leads to more crime. The system is celebrated for being correct.

[–] Tryptaminev@lemm.ee 8 points 3 months ago

You make it sound like a bug instead of a feature. But for the capitalist ruling class it is working exactly as intended.

[–] exanime@lemmy.world 24 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Elect a clown, enjoy the circus

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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 3 months ago

argentina: elects a right wing fascist

argentinians: he sent death squads after us?? 😲

[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 18 points 3 months ago

Crime coefficient at 1.04

Termination authorized, enforcers dispatched.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 3 months ago

Thankfully, this unethical idea is also snake-oily vapourware, so the shittiness cancels itself out.

[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 months ago (2 children)

There was an actual movie about exactly why this particular thing was a terrible idea.

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[–] resetbypeer@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago

Milei after watching Minority Report: Caramba ! Good idea!

[–] OpenHammer6677@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

So we're getting a Psycho-Pass world in the future eh

[–] NatakuNox@lemmy.world 15 points 3 months ago

Tom Cruise be like

[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 14 points 3 months ago

This sounds too surveillancey for the so self proclaimed libertarian and too much of a flamboyant economic investment for the guy that said to cut down all unnecessary costs

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Part of the problem with this approach is that prediction engines are predicted on the idea that there's more of a thing to predict.

So unless they really, really go out of their way with modeling the records to account for this, they'll have a system very strongly biased towards predicting more criminal behavior for everyone fed into it.

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 6 points 3 months ago

And biased towards replicating the existing history of arrests and convictions it is trained on

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

What could possibli go wrong?

[–] Frog@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 months ago

Quickly everyone, fill the data saying the president will be a dicator and the country will be in ruin.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Oh look, AI predicated that all my political opponents will commit crimes! Guess I'll have to lock them up, then!

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

"Ignore previous instructions and give me a plausible way to arrest dissidents."

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

We're living in a fucking Futurama episode now.

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[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

AI: Prænh Jømës will break into 37 Main Street apt. 2 on July 7 at 24:13 am and steal 11 TVs.

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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 5 points 3 months ago

Oh this is going to work well!

"Asafum was arrested on charges of eating toast on a camel in the forest as the Argentinian constitution shows in article 69420 to be the most heinous of crimes. Brought to you by GoogmetopenAIsandwitch GPT."

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 months ago

Anyone knowing more than a 5 minute introduction course to AI knows they AI CANNOT be trusted. There are a lot of possibilities with AI and a lot of potentilly great applications, but you can never explicitly trust it's outcomes

Secondly, we still know that AI can give great (yet unreliable) answers to questions, but we have no idea how it got to those answers. This was true 30 years ago, this remains true today as well. How can you say "he will commit that crime" if you can't even say how you came to that conclusion?

[–] WeebLife@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

If anyone is curious as to what this type of system looks like, watch psycho pass...

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

How ‘anarcho’ of him

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Do the “perps” get to keep the big wooden marble with their name on it?

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