And of course uncle Putin is saying it was Ukraine.
US security services have notified Russia of an impending attack, they notified US citizens there to about large gatherings
Gunmen went in calmly, shot at people for 1.5 hours without being stopped, then calmly walked back into a car and drove off.
IS claimed responsibility immediately
All of this clearly shows it was the Ukraine!
This has never happened before in Russia except those couple of times when they did and Putin was literally responsible.
Such a strange attack by this mysterious IS, and very convenient timing too! Poor Russia, people keep attacking them out of the blue!
I will now instruct my LEGO miniature violin to play Alexa in commemoration.
So in essence:
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US warns Russia for planned terror attack in Moscow
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Russian government and Putin specific either ignore it for the reason the west is fooling them because would fit narrative for the war in Ukraine. Or
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Russian government is just incompetent to do anything with that information. Or they know and deliberately don’t do anything with it to link it to Ukraine (even though the perpetrators are IS). Since this was also done in 1999 to blame the Chechnyans, it would fit the profile.
Either way it will be Soviet style lying. The incompetence will be wiped under the rug. The deliberate holding back information and not adequate precautions will not be easily to be proven, yet it creates the narrative for the mobilisation. Fear is Russia’s weapon of mass destruction, the lies are the instruments to fire those weapons.
“Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later, that debt is paid.”
Or, hold your breath now, because it was the GRU that planned the attack.
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It’s worth recalling when support for the Chechen war was low, Putin initiated a campaign of apartment building bombings in 1999.
Some chatter that there were around 8 shooters, and they walked into the hall and immediately shot 40-50, result might end up with over 100 killed. One of the shooters has allegedly been arrested, ISIS-K or Imarat Kavkaz would be under srict instructions NOT to be taken alive. There’s considerable dueling narratives right now
No matter who is actually responsible - Putin will probably blame Ukraine
It looks like US Intelligence warned of this attack in early March.
People at the venue lost all phone and Internet connectivity right prior to the attack. Jamming was being used.
The entire city of Moscow is now on lockdown.
ISIS, through its outlet al-Amaq, just claimed responsibility for the terror attack in Moscow tonight.
People were posting videos while the attack was happening. Where are you getting this information about “jamming” from? Nearby traffic distribution nodes were likely overloaded which resulted in degraded performance of Telegram and VK services. This is something to be expected when thousands or even millions of people start sending messages all at once, trying to figure out what’s happening to their friends and family.
All the videos I’ve seen are CCTV which were distributed well after the fact. channel 12 from Russia reported the jamming. I’m aware of what a mobile network will do on overload since I used to design and deploy them. It doesn’t quite work that way.
Telegram channels such as Baza, Ostorozhno Novosti and Vazhnye Istorii were posting eyewitness statements and phone footage as early as 20:15 Moscow time and throughout the event. There was no jamming. Degraded performance was reported for Telegram and VK. Whether the issue was with the local access points or Telegram’s data centers is not clear.
Just because cell networks are jammed doesn’t take the whole Internet down. Wifi sourced from copper and fiber networks will continue to work.
And Jamming isn’t some sort of scifi superpower, plenty of devices will connect despite the attempts to jam. Those in closest proximity to the jamming source would be most affected.
So don’t make leap that “videos getting published to Telegram” = “No jamming was occurring”, because one doesn’t prove the other.
Again, what’s the source that the internet was jammed? I haven’t heard anyone mentioning that, including witnesses on the place.
I thought Internet was already under control of Moscow, but it’d be wild if it turned out it wasn’t all this time and Putin would never do something like this again, like those other times he did
You didn’t answer the question.
Where are you getting this information about “jamming” from?
This is the first time I’m hearing this.
An excerpt from the article:
In October 2002, Chechen militants took about 800 people hostage at a Moscow theater. Two days later, Russian special forces stormed the building and 129 hostages and 41 Chechen fighters died, most of them from effects of narcotic gas Russian forces use to subdue the attackers.
Those are two separate events…
The false flag apartment bombings were carried out by actual Russian security services - not Chechen assets, or militants.
On an
relatedunrelated note,some of Russian agents who took part were comically stupid.If you aren’t aware of the Sims vs SIM card mix-up, do yourself a favor and look it up.Edit: as pointed out below, the Sims vs SIM card was not part of the 1999 false flag operation, but a more recent one (2022). My bad.
They botched one of the apartment building bombings worse than “The Sims card” thing. They had announced one of the bombings before doing the actual bombing.
The Sims comedy hour was a separate event from the other two, it was a 2022 attempt to frame Ukraine for terrorism.
This is nuts. This better not be some bullshit to manufacture consent for war escalation.
Days after Putin’s reelection? Sounds very suspicious indeed.
Would be suspicious days before his reelection.
Remember: no Russian.
From the article:
The official said U.S. intelligence agencies had gathered information in recent weeks that the IS branch was planning an attack in Moscow. He said U.S. officials privately shared the intelligence earlier this month with Russian officials. The official was briefed on the matter but was not authorized to publicly discuss the intelligence information and spoke to the AP on condition of anonymity.
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The Kremlin didn’t immediately blame anyone for the attack, but some Russian lawmakers were quick to accuse Ukraine and called for ramping up strikes. Hours before the attack, the Russian military l aunched (sic) a sweeping barrage on Ukraine’s power system, crippling the country’s biggest hydroelectric plant and other energy facilities and leaving more than a million people without electricity.
Dmitry Medvedev, deputy head of Russia’s Security Council, said that if Ukraine involvement was proven, all those involved “must be tracked down and killed without mercy, including officials of the state that committed such outrage.”
Mykhailo Podolyak, an adviser to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, denied Ukraine involvement.
I don’t think so. The US actually warned about imminent terror attacks by ISIS in Moscow a few weeks ago.
Yeah at this point it seems pretty clear this is a ISIS terror attack.
A lot has been said about Call of Duty MWII, but if your theory is correct then we’ll have to say that, of all things, its plot was prescient. And i’m not ready for that
As mentioned in another comment, wouldn’t be the first time
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Russian_apartment_bombings
The Islamic State group claimed responsibility for the attack in a statement posted on affiliated channels on social media. A U.S. intelligence official told The Associated Press that U.S. intelligence agencies had learned the group’s branch in Afghanistan was planning an attack in Moscow and shared the information with Russian officials.
Respect to USA for trying.
The problem is that, this helps Putin. If we assume he has no regard for human life, then this is a massive opportunity for him. He’s made the most out of opportunities like this one in the past.
This attack on innocent lives is a profound tragedy as it is. I wish I could spend more time dwelling on the plight of the victims but my brain won’t stop panicking about all the ways Putin can exploit this situation to ruin even more lives.
It’s why I couldn’t shake the idea that this might be a false flag operation. It’s why I can’t deny the prospect that perhaps Russian security services didn’t do all they could to stop this before it occurred.
My thoughts to the victims and those close to them.
It wouldn’t exactly be the first time he’d do something like this, although if this is the case it’d be quite extreme even for him.
Nope, seems exactly in par, actually.
You’re not wrong, and he’s obviously using it to full effect either way, but it just boggles my mind a bit that they probably knew full well this’d happen and they let it, smack middle in Moscow of all places.
It’s not exactly a good look no matter how much that demented fuck tries to spin it.
“Dear USA pliese not to disturb Russian false fleg operetion. It cost many rubles to setup.”
My bet: Russian false flag operation allowing them to pin the attack on Ukraine and stir up anti Ukrainian sentiment.
EDIT: My bet was likely wrong.
Didn’t a lot of western countries warn their citizens to not attend any public gatherings in Moscow a couple of weeks ago due to an imminent Isis attack?
Has anybody claimed responsibility for this yet? This doesn’t sound like the Ukraine. They hit strategic shit.
PSA. It’s Ukraine, just Ukraine. Not “The Ukraine”
Not seeing anything yet but it can be hard to get accurate news reporting from a country that kills subversive journalists and is in a war. I think most are assuming it’s either an internal or external paramilitary group related to the war in Ukraine, or domestic terrorists related to the recent elections, I think targeting a concert is more likely the latter but we’ll see which group takes responsibility if any.
But Russia will immediately blame it on Ukraine and the west anyway lol
Maria Zacharova (Kremlin) seems to think the most important thing right now is that the whole world condemns the attack, which I find to be a kind of weird priority since the thing just happened and we have no fucking clue what is going on.
Maria Zacharova (Kremlin) seems to think the most important thing right now is that the whole world condemns the attack
nah I don’t condemn anything. Either it was some pro-ukranian group (fair, bring the war to russia!), or more likely, some covert op from the fsb so that this russian cunt in charge can order a new drafting…
It is never fair to murder civilians. I don’t blame Ukraine if there is terrorism and insurgency due to the occupation of eastern Ukraine, that’s firmly Putin’s fault. But that also doesn’t make it ok.
And suddenly here you are standing together in sympathetic unity with The Kremlins. It’s hard making people see propaganda when they have become so desensitized to it
Let’s hope Putin will find some way to finally stop the forces of evil defiling his land after this.
fair, bring the war to russia
ah yes, “bringing war to russia” now means shooting innocents, because responding to terrorism with even more terrorism works so well
gotta fuckin love reddit
I mean… Putin did get into power by running false flag terrorist bombings on his own country, so there’s that angle too.
“Remember, no Russian”
Crazy that two words can evoke such memories.
Anyways, fuck Vlad and Slava Ukraini
More ukrainians are going to die because of sentiments like yours.
Chechens finally making a move?
They might have beards, hard to tell from the footage I’ve seen.
May be Islamic terrorism or a bad ol’ fashioned Russian false flag. I doubt Ukrainians or Ukrainian supporting people would do a random terror shooting, they like to be more targeted and the shooting was at random people. There was a foiled group of Islamic terrorists arrested earlier this month, maybe another group.
We will have to see what Russia says.
Yeah, Ukraine hasn’t done anything civilian targeting attacks so i highly doubt it was them. They know how important optics are when it comes to getting international support.
Well they targetted civilian targets (the refineries) but have not targetted civilians (i.e. people).
The distinction is not between civilian targets and military targets, it is between “civilian objects” and “military objectives”. Targeting a civilian infrastructure such as refineries, and even civilian power stations can be considered valid military objectives if they make an effective contribution to military action or offer a definite military advantage. The refineries being hit by Ukraine definitely meet that definition.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/when-are-attacks-civilian-infrastructure-war-crimes-2022-12-16/
China and Russia just blocked a truce in Gaza. Makes sense.
There was no truce in that proposal. Just some stern words.
It was a cease fire proposal - you have to start somewhere. But Russia and China think it’s better to use Gazans a political pawns in the upcoming US elections, so surprise, surprise - some would disagree.
It was a temporary ceasefire proposal, the US has already blocked 3 permanent ceasefire proposals.
Same way Israel has been rejecting every permanent ceasefire for months. Because they prioritize extending genocide in Gaza over the release of hostages.
Stalinist. Makes sense - twist away. Blocked.
I’m not pro Stalin at all. Don’t know why you’d rather get mad at my name instead of the US and Israel prioritizing genocide over any avenues of peace.
This is about Palestinians deserving human rights, civil rights, and equality instead of ethnic cleansing.
Warning, graphic videos
Videos seem busted. I hit play and they don’t play.
I kinda struggle to show empathy for this, after the last couple years of them doing & supporting this kind of shit in Ukraine.
If you can’t show empathy for murdered civilians just because of their nationality, are you really any better? This was a concert hall, not a military base. Think about what you are tacitly endorsing here…
Are you expecting me to tolerate the intolerant? No thanks. They don’t have any empathy towards Ukrainian civilians either. They rather encourage what is happening, be it torture, rape or murder and have imperialistic ambitions that stretch far beyond Ukraine, wanting to do the same to my country and others. So why should I care? If two scumbag factions murder each other then that’s a win win situation.
Just to clarify, you hold ethnic hatred towards all Russian people?
Russia holds almost 200 different ethnic groups (potentially less since they ethnic cleanse their own populations in the Ukrainian meat grinder), so no. I hold hatred towards a terrorist state.
That’s a lot of words to say “yes”.
Tankies once again proving they live in an alternative reality where they can just spin everything to whatever suits their confirmation bias.
Probably because your a tribalist and think everyone else is, too.
I see it all the time and don’t expect more from you people at this point.
A thing that’s really annoying to me about this is they don’t specify what the gunmen looked like and specifically what rifles they were carrying. IS has claimed responsibility, but if it was a bunch of Russian dudes with brand new AKs, it’s far less likely it was actually the IS, and was just an FSB op. Granted the FSB could have supplied brand new AKs, but far less likely to be IS if it was just some Russian commandos
they’ve been known to recruit remotely, I think. and if it was someone from afganistan, i imagine they would source weapons locally. why would the guy go through the trouble/risk of smuggling a rifle and ammo? that makes no sense.
MSNBC is reporting that Russian sources are saying 40 dead.
CNN is reporting 40 dead, but that the shooting was at a shopping center outside the concert hall.
Still developing.
CNN is reporting 40 dead, but that the shooting was at a shopping center outside the concert hall.
In the video I wish I hadn’t just watched it looked more like that to me.
There were gunmen in both places. Videos linked in this thread show that, though I do not recommend watching them.
Are people on Lemmy going to treat these freedom fighters the same way they treat Hamas?
If you attack non military peoples you shall be deemed in the wrong by me. That said, Putin is a military leader to me, so he is an open target.
