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[–] Bougie_Birdie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 95 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Isn't how somebody votes one of the only things you can ethically criticize someone for?

Like, people often treat their party like it's part of their tribe, but it's not like you're born into it. It's not the same thing as race, colour, creed, gender, orientation, or any other prohibited grounds.

Voting is exercising a choice. If you can't criticize someone because of the choices they make, what can you criticize them for?

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 49 points 1 week ago (1 children)

She literally just called Trump a fascist. But like, I guess supporting fascists is like just one of those "agree to disagree" matters that shouldn't be held against someone? They can still be good people who just want mass deportations, military tribunals of political enemies, and for trans people to just cease to exist.

[–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 week ago

I would guess that she's trying to separate the voters from the representatives, so that when someone calls out a republican politician for being racist, they have a harder time convincing their voters that she was calling them racist as well.

Right now it seems like people see their political party as their identity, there are both democrats and republicans who do it but I'd say it is far, far more common with republicans.

You can, and should, hold your representatives accountable when they do bad shit, regardless of whether you voted for them or not, and if your party starts standing for things that are worse than another party then you should change who you vote for.

It's a long road to get back from this division in the US, but I hope there's a future where it's possible.

[–] nmhforlife@lemmy.world 66 points 1 week ago

They can be garbage and still be governed fairly at the same time.

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 51 points 1 week ago (22 children)

She's just trying to avoid Hillary's deplorables comment. It's true, of course, and you should absolutely cut those people from you life, but it was misconstrued and so could this.

Although, Kamala really wants a "Not all Republicans" message, so there's that too. No use alienating those snowflakes so close to Election Day.

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[–] zhozers@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Democrats: "Vote for Harris if you want to save the country from Trump and the Republicans!" Also Democrats: "We need a strong Republican party and we love the Cheney's!" The Left: "WTF is going on?"

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[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Trump voters are not garbage, most of them are frankly just ignorant and maybe a little dull. Calling Trump supporters garbage on the other hand would be an insult to garbage

[–] projectsquared@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

At what point is the ignorance a choice? Most of us have the wealth of knowledge the internet provides in our pocket.

[–] gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (3 children)

If she honestly believes that she's an idiot, and if she doesn't she's way too comfortable with lying to the American people about important issues. The truth of the matter is that if a person has supported the Republican party in the last five decades they are dangerous garbage, and unless they're willing to put in the work to recycle themselves into something more positive we need to contain them and have their toxicity diluted to the point where it can't hurt anyone, just like we would with any other waste. Elected Dems ignoring this difficult but painfully obvious truth is why our politics have kept getting worse as the Republicans have gotten crazier and faced no consequences for it.

[–] tate@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

You can only achieve a fair and civil society through fairness and civility. That is what (most of) the democrats have been working on for the last 50 years.

It's always tempting to think that you could "defeat" evil through violence, repression, suppression, and exclusion. Instead, you only become it.

edit: I really don't mean to lecture here. I wrote this because I saw myself in the comment I replied to, and I needed to remind myself to be kind.

[–] Signtist@lemm.ee 13 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I mean, our country was founded through a bunch of people getting really uncivil and violent. Sure, it still needed - and still needs - a lot of improvement to be fair for everyone who wasn't part of the "in-group," but the same could be said for most countries at the time ours was founded.

I certainly don't believe that it's necessary to be uncivil and violent to achieve a fair and civil society, but it has shown past success at ridding a country of leaders who don't have the people's best interests at heart.

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[–] phx@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I agree, but following with the "garbage" comment also feeds into the Republicans sense of somehow being both the greatest and the victims.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Their victim-games are theatrical manipulations and should be ignored completely. Every word uttered by a conservative is deception or manipulation. They are not capable of shame or remorse. If you are not with them, you are against them. Period.

Also, who gives a shit about the opinions or feelings of a fascist?

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[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lol, no distance on support for genocide, but criticizing people voting for someone she herself called a fascist is out of bounds.

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[–] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Just trying to avoid a basket of deplorables moment.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Jesus Christ lady you're not getting maga votes, stop trying.

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[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Their votes are garbage but not the people.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 39 points 1 week ago (4 children)

No the people who vote for Trump are garbage as well. Garbage all the way. I will vote for Harris; but disagree with her stance. I get why she did it but fuck Mega she not going win their votes. My Trumper neighbor just yesterday said only reason anyobe voting for her is because she is a N word woman.

Keep in mind he knows I support Harris and will vote for her tomorrow. He even asked if I was voting early. Isaid yes sir and for Harris. He is a racist, but he didn't attack me for my decision so I got that going for me. What worries me is his wife works at the polling station.

I have huge fear that Trump going steal this election and he has enough support to do so. Lets fucking vote all for Harris make it so large a gap he can't steal it.

[–] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They are much worse than garbage. They are fascists. Which is essentially the worst thing you can be.

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