There will be some token deportations of undocumented immigrants that were going to be deported anyways,

Fuck that bullshit, this makes as much sense as saying “well, there probably will be some summary executions of people charged with crimes, but they were gonna be found guilty anyway”.

The only thing working in our favor is Trump’s general incompetence and chaotic headspace, he’s his own biggest enemy sometimes.

He’s got fascist toadies who are very intent on this in his administration who will keep him organized and focused. What we have in our favor is hundreds of millions of Americans who think xenophobia is idiotic hateful bullshit.

My family is emigrating because we will not be taking that risk.

Honestly, good for you, but you can’t blame the people who don’t have that option for trying to come up with some sort of strategy to resist American fascism. I’m not saying Trump won’t be bad, I’m saying here’s what we might be able to throw at him. No idea if it will be effective, but I will not go quietly.

I simply refuse to believe America is done

I honestly have no idea whether it is or not, but I don’t see any way that giving into hopeless despair and giving up helps us, so I’m going to operate under the assumption that it’s not. If nothing else, let’s make the fascists fight every single step of the way by throwing every inconvenience we can at them.

Speaking of which - Dems still have enough Senate seats to filibuster, right?

I think this is right, but I would add there’s a chance this all ends up being for show and BlackRock makes some public show of fealty to the Trumpists that makes them look powerful and gets BlackRock some government contracts down the line. Like, hypocrisy is no barrier for the right wing, they’re fully capable of writing a whole novel about (e.g.) how we must destroy Google and then turning around and buying a bunch of shit from them.

Talking about plans to commit crimes on public forums is basically just doing the cops work for them

Correct me if I’m wrong, but this is a measure of average wage growth right? I think it’s possible that there are big variations between geographic regions and industries and income, so for some people wage growth more than outpaced inflation but for a lot of others it didn’t.

choose to extend a war in Ukraine and send 100 billion to Ukraine while their own are struggling.

a) they didn’t start that war,

b) out of all the stupid shit our federal government spends money on, why fixate on this one?

c) rich people and companies are under-taxed anyway, so it’s not like we’re hurting for potential revenue. We have more than enough money to fund Ukraine’s defense and take care of poor people.

what people live under is what matters

That much I agree with and have known since George W Bush won the popular vote in 2004 despite there being no WMDs in Iraq and all sorts of civilian casualties because gas stayed cheap

As far as this “being the last election”, there’s too many safeguards in our governmental system and too many armed people (in both the civilian and military population) with deep vested interests to ensure real elections still happen for that to change.

I’m not so sure considering there’s a good argument to be made that this wasn’t a “real” election, given all the voter suppressing bullshit that happened. I think we need to ask ourselves what a “real” election is and how we will know if we lose them, because I don’t think even our good elected officials are going to tell us about it (because they think, arguably correctly, that living under a stable autocracy is better than the chaos that could happen when a mass of people reject the legitimacy of the government).

Bad times are not end times.

This is true and cannot be said enough. The world doesn’t end, it moves on to the next struggle, and there is always a way to make it better. It might be very small, but there is always something to do. Like, yesterday I ended up up hanging out with some very sad old ladies who volunteered for my local League of Women Voters chapter and got them to laugh a couple of times at how ridiculously bad at bridge I am, and that was the little bit of good I could do yesterday. It wasn’t much, but it was something.

I have to be honest, I am panicking a little bit.

I don’t have any great insight to offer, but - yeah, me too

I’m not sure how much this explains the Latino vote, but I heard some pundit yesterday make a halfway decent point about how a $1 increase hits harder when you live in a rural area where wages tend to be lower to begin with.

the garbage homeland

Puerto Rico is not garbage

I wonder how many of these are second generation immigrants. I’m very much generalizing here, but they can frequently be some of the most “fuck you got mine” people throughout history (like, a lot of Irish and Italian Americans second generations voted for all sorts of racist douchebags up and down the eastern seaboard in the 1960s-1990s, I think a similar thing happened with German Americans and Polish Americans in the Midwest).

Acting like there will be an election (e.g. organizing and building political coalitions) will put us in a better position to deal with whatever else happens

I don’t think you’re wrong but I also have to add that I won’t accept that we just can’t run black women for offices for that reason

e; I should have read this thread further, it looks like other people are already discussing this

(whose first act as president was to essentially absolve the previous administration and Wall St of their many sins in case anyone forgot how moderate he was).

I think this very thing led to the 2010 tea party wave election that fucked us for a decade and a similar thing has happened here, except it was the seeming inability of the Biden administration to hold Trump and his supporters accountable and not going after corporations making record profits during an inflationary crisis (“So how would you recommend they have done that?” Great question, I will let you know when I have a good answer).

e;

Well, all that and the obvious election interference from Musk, Putin, and the ontological inability of traditional media not to platform literal fascists.

This absolutely played a huge roll (also, voter suppressing laws passed by GOP governments), but I don’t know how to change any of that without having a Democratic party that consistently wins elections first

I’m not gloating, I just said I didn’t want to seem like I was because I’m not trying to antagonize my political allies. I’m sorry if it seems like I am because that really is the last thing I want to do. I want Republicans to lose elections and I’m just putting forth a theory of why they didn’t last night that seems persuasive to me because I’m still operating under the assumption we’ll have more elections (which, like, very TBD, but either way I think building a coalition of like-minded people will be important).

I think there are a lot of users who would rather Trump wins another four years than third party voters get told anything other than what terrible people they are for not being enthusiastic Harris supporters

“I’m not going to issue a restraining order but only if you make a legally binding promise not to do it anyway.”

This feels like the court and DOJ working together to not make this look like what it is because neither of them wanted “federal civil rights protections thrown out by unelected judge in favor of state government bigots doing whatever the fuck they want” headlines

You’re being too generous imho