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So another thread ( https://lemmy.world/post/17746018 ) got me wondering... How many people would want to move to another country?

Just to provide a concrete scenario, let's assume that in your current country you (magically) have a decent-ish job. They open up offices in another country of your choosing, and you have the option of moving there and work for an equivalent living wage.

They're able to get visas set up (however improbable that may be) for you and any family, but you have to go through the process of finding housing, physically moving your belongings and anything else you need to set up.

What countries would you take the offer to move to, if any?

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[–] WatDabney@sopuli.xyz 75 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I'm an American, so yes - in a heartbeat.

Broadly, I wouldnt much care where it was, just so long as it was somewhere that was not being actively transfomed into a plutocratic/christofascist autocracy.

And in fact, there's virtually nothing that I want more at this point in time than to get the hell out while I can. I fully expect that if I don't, I'm going to end up in prison or dead, just like so many other vocal dissidents under so many other authoritarian regimes.

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago

^the new American Dream

[–] SeikoAlpinist@slrpnk.net 23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yes, I have done this several times for work. Digital nomad life that turned into starting a family that travels for work.

It's difficult every time and sometimes you just have to admit that it isn't going to work out in that country. Some countries have really strange attitudes or laws or systemic issues that you will not solve as an outsider. Sometimes people will just see you as a target or an opportunity for money and that's never going to change.

Also looking back gives perspective; I had a difficult time in xxx country, but that was my first time overseas and I didn't have quite a grasp of the language, and I was also unfairly comparing it to the USA. A decade later, I've been back a couple of times and now xxx is my favorite country. Five stages of grief and all. There's more backstory but I can blend in a lot of countries.

Conversely, I went to some countries and saw how they are still very colonized from centuries of oppression. And then I go back to the USA sometimes and see the same mentality. Really shifts your perspective.

I was a child of a refugee so I always thought whatever complaints I had were nothing compared to what my parents went through. Also I had swastikas spray painted on my house when I was young so I never really fit in anywhere. Kind of keeps me going.

I feel more comfortable in some countries than my own home country. The USA has changed as much as I have over the past decade.

Finally, one semi-related point: I really, really learned to hate American missionaries. In every single country. They're just the worst. I think they choose their countries and villages for some sort of confirmation bias to themselves that American Jesus is the best and only civilized way to live. They aren't learning anything, just reinforcing their world view and not teaching anything useful. It's just a way for middle aged white guys to get young girls from poor villages. They aren't helping anything.

[–] hubobes@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Not really. I live in Switzerland, thing is, there are no countries that surpass it in terms of safety, income, social security and political stability combined. For me at least it is the perfect country to live in.

[–] kayazere@feddit.nl 5 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I (originally from the US) moved to Germany with a Swiss girlfriend, so we visit Switzerland frequently and know the cultural/politics.

I find Germany to have much better social policies than Switzerland, such as better worker rights/conditions, public health insurance. The Swiss people voted against having minimum 5 weeks vacation and also just rejected caps on the private insurance minimum costs. The politics are much more conservative/individualistic compared to Germany. On a positive side, Switzerland probably has the best public transport system in Europe.

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[–] remotedev@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I moved from US to Canada with a whole lot less lined up

[–] jaxxed@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

How did it work out?

[–] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 months ago

The list of countries I'd move to is actually longer than ones I wouldn't want to move to.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'd take an offer to work from home on a house boat and go sailing around the world I feel like I'd end up making a lot of new customs officer friends XD

[–] treadful@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 months ago (6 children)

I'd take a little canal boat in Amsterdam. Though learning Dutch sounds like a PITA.

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[–] theherk@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

I would and I did. Nearly on a lark I decided to move to Norway right as the pandemic started appearing on cruise ships. I got a job within two weeks and they handled the immigration process for the most part. It wasn’t simple but it was pretty straight forward.

And it was worth it, big time.

[–] savvywolf@pawb.social 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So, for context - I live in Scotland and I guess I feel a cultural connection with being Scottish. I even have a domain with a .scot tld.

But at the same time... I know the UK is kind of slipping back in terms of social issues - starting to feel like a "mini US" than a state with european standards.

So yeah, I'm torn between staying here and moving to some as of yet unknown country with better rights...

Although, since I basically never travel and nothing is really infringing my freedom (yet ...), I'll probably not actually do anything even if I wanted to.

[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 months ago

Love Scotland and the Scots (one of my best mates is one, and I visited many times), but it has the unfortunate flaw of being part of the UK indeed... I guess the obvious option that is similar-ish without having that flaw is Ireland, but personally living in the Netherlands I'm only really considering a move if it's to somewhere truly different (tropical, etc).

[–] skeezix@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Yes. In fact it’s a done deal.

[–] a_new_sad_me@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Israeli, I've been considering this for several years but the impact on the family seemed too big. Since the war with Gaza, and the the political situation, the impact seems with it. Last week I've started looking for options.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Steady on, I only just got to Australia!

But it’s New Zealand.

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[–] atx_aquarian@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

I haven't given up on being a stick in the mud keeping Austin a little different from other parts of Texas. The loudest idiots in this state rebuke Austin as something un-Texan, but I'm not going anywhere and am continuing to live and vote the way I do. I know it's a little easier for me to say this, not having to worry about kids, so I don't expect others to make the same choice, even if they feel the same way.

[–] Magister@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I did, moved from France to Canada

[–] Cheesus@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 months ago

I did the opposite lol.

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[–] ampersandcastles@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago

More and more I want to now. I'm growing to really have a high level of disdain for this country and it's lack of doing anything for the worse off.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I wouldn't. I'm pretty happy in the US.

If someone held a gun to my head and made me move, probably Canada, due to similarity.

[–] JesusSon@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I always wanted to move to Sweden. My grandfather was born there and I have always loved visiting.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It was a nice country but it's getting poor and has many problems now due to unlimited immigration the last few decades. Much violence and murders now.

The classic Sweden that I grew up in is gone. But it's still better than USA of course. If you avoid the big cities, it's still a bit like it used to be though.

The best country in the Nordics is now Norway I would say.

[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I live in Finland. Wouldn't mind a less wintery climate but not to the point of willing to move elsewhere.

[–] BluesF@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Wanna swap? I'll come enjoy the snow, you can come to the UK and enjoy the, uh, rain.

[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It's not the winter wonderland many foreigners think it is, unless you go to Lapland. Most of the winter is just wet, cold, dark, slippery, and absolutely miserable. It's dark when you leave for work and it's dark when you get back home.

[–] BluesF@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Ngl sounds good to me. I like it cold and dark. Did I mention I'm a mole?

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[–] Toes@ani.social 5 points 3 months ago

Anywhere that has quality public transit, reliable internet and is located near a beach.

[–] TJDetweiler@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I live in the PNW of Canada. It's expensive, but I love it here and wouldn't move unless I absolutely had to.

[–] m4xie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 months ago

I moved here from England. I love it and would never go back.

[–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

I love that everyone else here is saying they'd move to Canada. I also live in the PNW and as much as I hate how expensive it is, I do not see myself wanting to go anywhere else. Somewhere else in the province? Maybe. But it's fucking beautiful here and I'm not gonna pretend it's not.

[–] mochisuki@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

I mean, I did. Highly recommend. Spoiler alert almost all the non-USA people places a multinational company would offer to post you don’t have guns

[–] Iceblade02@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago

Quite a few places, particularly if it was coupled with a decent job. Denmark, Norway, Finland, Iceland, Ireland, S. Korea, Japan, New Zealand, Portugal, Spain, Switzerland and mayyybe the US depending on how enticing the job was.

[–] finley@lemm.ee 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

canada. toronto or vancouver seem like attractive choices.

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[–] kuroshido@ani.social 3 points 3 months ago

Having recently moved to Europe due to the political situation and level of threat to me and my family back in my home country, I can definitely say it can work out extremely well.

I now live in the first world where I’m actually cared for as a human being by the laws and regulations.

But ultimately it’s your prerogative to determine the course of action that suites your goals and desires.

[–] Drusas@kbin.run 3 points 3 months ago

Of course. I have. Spent some time in Japan. I would very happily go back, but I'm in the States again now.

[–] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Yes!

My friend and I are actually planning to start taking trips to find which country we want to live in later on (we're both single/childless). We've been looking around Europe and Southeast Asia.

[–] Klanky@sopuli.xyz 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If we could move to Iceland or Finland, we’d do it in a heartbeat.

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[–] GrayBackgroundMusic@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago

100% if I could afford it.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

I don't know about MOVE move, but I did see some lovely little houses in Mexico that are pretty affordable. Might make nice winter homes.

[–] tiredofsametab@kbin.run 2 points 3 months ago

About 10 years ago, I moved to Japan and don't regret it. The only real downsides are that my family is on the other side of the world and the yen is doing poorly against the dollar. Well, that and being a US citizen trying to do something silly like use Japanese retirement vehicles outside of pension (iDECO and NISA) is basically impossible because everything is considered a PFIC by the US, but that's true of many things in other countries as a US citizen.

[–] angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

My hand might be forced someday.

Otherwise, I'd need a specific destination and reason to want to live there instead of "I don't want to live here." I make a point to not have "grass is greener" syndrome, sometimes to a fault.

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[–] owatnext@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I want out. I want to go to Australia, but any country with decent human rights is a good choice. But I've been to Australia and it was cool.

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