The law makes sense. If someone is a convicted felon, changes their name to avoid the inevitable Google searches, and decides to run for office, that former name absolutely should be disclosed.
What’s weird here is the limit of “past 5 years” and “excluding marriage.”
So totally cool for a felon to change their name MORE than 5 years ago, or, simply get married, no disclosure required.
So what even is the purpose of the law?
So, what you’re saying is… the law actually doesn’t make sense. It should be that if they were a convicted felon, then that should be disclosed along with their old name. All of the other conditions here seem unnecessary unless we want to include name changes in general, which then they need to add a space on the actual form to include this.
Looking at you Ted Cruz… the zodiac killer
Whos that? Do you mean Texas politician Rafael Cruz?
Nimarata Randhawa Haley must be shitting her pants…
That you’re not a recently convicted felon, I suppose.
I think it would make more sense if you either
a) couldn’t change your name as a convicted felon
b) your new name would be updated in the records maybe?
Doesn’t being a convicted felon disqualify you from running in any case - or is that just voting?
Voting, not running, and not even always voting. It varies state by state.
Leonard Peltier, for example, has run for president from prison.
Yikes - that really highlights the US’s priorities…
If you’re a felon, you can’t represent yourself, but if you’re a felon with money, you can represent everyone.
No taxation without representation, and no slavery… but felons aren’t real people.
Private companies profit from confining people as cheaply as possible and exploiting their slave labour - all above board.
The land of the free has nearly a quarter of the world’s prison population… but only ~4% of the world’s people.
To be clear, there is no US policy on this, each state has their own rules.
For not listing her prior name as a recent name change. She can use the name she wants.
I read about this from Erin Reed. She said that there was 1) no place on the rules of the petition that said she had to list it and 2) no place to write it in on the petition
It’s also a law that’s been on the books years, and last modified in 1995. It’s a common sense law. Candidates should not be able to hide past indiscretions with a name change. It has nothing to do with trans issues or dead names.
Candidates should be able to hide past indiscretions with a name change.unfortunate typo
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Well, they can apparently get married to hide their past indiscretions.
You don’t get to change your first name my marriage, and generally, records are not sealed so people can find out their maiden name. Changing your name via court order can be sealed and often involves changing both first and last names.
shh. they don’t allow common sense on Lemmy. an unfortunate holdover from reddit.
Come on! You can do it better than reddit. Dont be a douchebag and just complain. Make this environment better and friendlier.
If you think someone is just wrong. Let him be, dont comment like this. Do it better than reddit.
Their husbands will sort them out. /s
And yet getting married and changing your name without disclosure is fine.
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She also directly said she agrees with the law.
People are framing this as some anti-trans law, when that has nothing to do with the original law. In 1995, 99.9% of people had no idea what a deadname is.
“Recent” being within 5 years seems understandable in a general political context, however is a little cruel to trans people who usually don’t want their deadnames out in the public. Would this ruling be applied the same way to married people who changed their name?
Would this ruling be applied the same way to married people who changed their name?
You would know if you would read the article.
I was being rhetorical- I know that they aren’t applying it to married people. But why? Wouldn’t the same reasoning hold, that you could use it to defraud? If not, why wouldn’t changing your name to transition not be in the same category of life event as marriage?
or, hear me out. if you’re running for political office, you deal with such things like an adult. deadname or not, this person would face MUCH more harsh situations in office than having to put a name you don’t go by anymore.
I’m afraid that’s a pretty poor argument. It’s not inherently more mature to subject yourself things that harm you because there exist things that can harm you out in the world.
Please try listening to trans people about their experiences. Deadnaming isn’t just using a old name. For a lot of people, it’s kind of like being called the worst nickname your high school bully had for you, except that everyone in your life, your parents, your friends, everyone, has only called you that for years and years. Some people have a better or at least neutral relationship to their deadname, but it’s still considered incredibly impolite to reference generally speaking.
In regards to this rule, I don’t see a legitimate argument for excluding name changes from marriage and not similarly applying this exception for name changes for trans people (ie associated with a gender marker change, if we want similar criteria to differentiate from other name changes). Both are life events that should be considered normal and regular and not associated with potential fraud. Either this rule applies equally to everyone, or it shouldn’t be applied at all (like it hasn’t been applied in decades to the extent that it isn’t even on the official form).
As if the transphobes only want to hear their deadnames to stroke their egos.
Good clarification. The title is still correct though. They still want her to use her prior name, just not exclusively so.
Ohio law requires people running for political office who have changed their name within the last five years to include their former names on candidacy petitions.
That’s not entirely unreasonable, but It seems like that’s the sort of thing they should make clear in the paperwork when you file a candidacy petition. “Have you legally changed your name in the last 5 years for any reason other than marriage?”
Just curious. Why make an exception for marriage? If the intention is so people can identify you if they recently knew you by your previous name, that seems even more pertinent.
Religious BS, probably. Marriage is religious in origin.
Not religious in origin, but the people who propose using it as exclusions to laws think so.
The answer is that there shouldn’t be. And a woman changing her name to match her husband’s is archaic patriarchal bullshit. I’m glad my wife decided not to do that.
Mine did, but that’s mostly because she didn’t change it back after the divorce from her ex was finalized because she figured we were headed in that general direction and it would save her some paperwork.
I made a point of telling her it was up to her, and that things like both of us hyphenating her maiden name and my name were on the table if she wanted, but she wanted to take my name and I’m fine with that.
I figured the odds are that it started as patriarchal bullshit in the most literal sense. Less claiming ownership of the woman like you are thinking and more claiming ownership of the children.
But I suspect that a lot of cultural institutions that are considered patriarchal bullshit had their origins in trying to square the circle of wanting men to be materially responsible for their offspring and also paternity being non-certain with no obvious solution using bronze age technology. So you legally and culturally tie man and woman together, make any of their offspring legally his and bear his name, and leave it to him to make sure no other man is fathering children with her.
Compare to groups like the Mosuo where there are no permanent pair bonds, but also men aren’t materially responsible for their offspring or raising them - children belong to their mother’s family, only. Women are still supposed to know who fathered their children, but I suspect you’ll never get away from that as a norm just to avoid half siblings breeding.
I’m just spit-balling here, but I assume the reason for requiring someone to disclose a recent name change is so that you don’t have someone trying to run under a new name for reasons of deception. “What’s that? Oh no, it’s okay, I know that Donald Trump can’t be on the ballot, but my name is Ronald Krump. Common mistake.”
In most jurisdictions you can legally change your name when you get married without paying a fee or filing any other paperwork (don’t ask me if that applies to men, that’s a whole other archaic bit of bullshit). It’s therefore also the most common reason for someone to change their name, and I guess they just figured nobody would bother getting married just so they could get on a ballot with a different name.
Jorge Santos about to run for the House for the first time in 2024.
I assume because marriage requires a lot of documentation and an official process, whereas my name change only required my friends to sign a document I made.
Marriage requires a license and an officiant. Name change often requires a hearing and publication in a newspaper. So, no, you’re wrong.
“my name change only…” Did you miss that part?
Here is what I did: https://www.gov.uk/change-name-deed-poll/make-an-adult-deed-poll
So, no, you’re wrong.
I think UK and US system might be different.
Likely so.
Do you think Ohio is in the UK?
Did I say it was? I said “I assume”, and “my name change”, not hard to read one sentence.
Your name change, which took place in an entirely different country than where this all occurred… and you assume it was the same process, then you get mouthy with the guy who corrected you…
You sure you’re from the UK? You sound more like an American twat.
In most US states you need to have a decree of name change notarized by the county clerk, or issued by a family court if. Not that hard to do, but a lot more formal and government-involved than the UK process.
Good to know, cheers.
Yeah you missed the part about this being in Ohio
You missed the part were I said “my name change”. I have no idea about Ohio, and you didn’t seek to give clarification, you just responded like a prick.
Lol yeah, I’m the prick here.
I would guess it is for establishing that you meet residency requirements to be eligible to run for office and don’t have a criminal history that would disqualify you.
Because it has nothing to do with that. If the goal was to inform the public there would not be an easy escape clause
It could be clerical. Changing your last name due to marriage is a different process than changing your full name.
You can find a name change on the marriage license. So perhaps you look up the name of the person on the marriage license and find the previous name.
They probably wouldn’t make an exception for marriage actually
It’s mentioned in the comment section here that they do.
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Yeah it feels very much like a situation where a cis person with a good reason to have changed their name may have gotten a heads up instead of a disqualification
Ah yes, a law that sounds equal but mostly applies to women in practice due to who is most likely to change their name.
Changing name due to marriage is specifically excluded from this requirement, likely due to the disproportionate effect on women.
So it just ends up being disproportionately targeted at transgender people then.
Sorry, I assumed it was like the TSA PreCheck which requires every name change a woman has gone through during their entire life.
Lots of other people change their names. Trans issues were hardly on the radar when this law was passed.
And marriage records are a lot easier to track, and don’t involve changing first names. When someone changes their name for marriage, you can probably find out their maiden name fairly easily.
All legal name changes should be easy to track since it requires updating social security, insurance, driver’s licenses, and pretty much everything else.
People can have name changes sealed.
Let’s call this what it is: erecting a humiliating barrier in front of someone to prevent them from running for office
That may be the effect but when was the law enacted? Unless it was the last 3 years I can’t imagine this was the intent, nobody made trans issues a big deal until the right was truly sure they couldn’t punch down on gay people anymore.
I was so confused for a moment, until I noticed the “race” in the title was referring to an election.
I’m not disputing the rules, they just seem so damn archaic at this point. The digital era made a lot of this redundant. Got my social? The government knows who I am. Got my current ID? The government knows who I am.
Yeah who do they think changed her name? It’s in the public record because a judge did it
But if it’s on the form and required, isn’t it the candidates fault for not following procedure? They just blatantly didn’t follow the rules. You shouldn’t complain about rules after you break them and if you know about them in advance.
It wasn’t on the form and she didn’t know about it in advance.
If it’s not on the form, it shouldn’t be considered a requirement. I would be suing.
So, all relevant law should be listed in full on every piece of government paperwork?
Because I would think the first thing you’d do when wanting to run for office is check what the requirements are and what to do when you register and what conditions are on that.
I’d look up the form to see if there’s any mention of it, but the Ohio SoS website is offline.
If this person can’t follow the law/rules on the APPLICATION, why would they be trusted to follow the rules when/if they are elected to office.
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Like any politician follows the rules. Lol
that’s kind of the point
If no politician, or very few at any rate, follows the rules then it is a moot point because it can’t be a metric for indicating effectiveness in office. This, not worth mentioning at all.
Meanwhile Ted Cruz, Nikki Haley…
I’d be in favor of an exception for trans people transitioning just like there’s an exception for people who just got married but it sounds like the real problem is nobody told her the requirements.
US Republicans are fascist domestic terrorists, what else is new.
It’s a good thing Nimarata doesn’t live in Ohio amirite!
If you want to run for office, its your duty to understand what you are required to file. Find a lawyer who specializes in this, perhaps, or work with your local party office? Not the greatest initial performance for someone looking to serve in office.
Why are you downvoted lmao?
Edit: Apparently she did try to follow everything but she found no mention of the rules even after consulting professionals and experts. So 0 fault of her.
Another victory for the followers of Jesus
Ignorance of the law doesn’t give you freedom from the law. Too bad, so sad. Try again next time.
FontMasterFlex, you’re clearly missing the point. It’s an unjust law that exists to keep people like her out of office. It’s another Christian right wing - sorry, I mean government - tactic to keep the other team from being allowed to play.
It’s the same as the laws that were passed requiring abortion clinics to have 18 ft wide hallways. “We’re not banning abortion! We’re just concerned about the rights of all the 18’+ women seeking treatment!”
Fuck unjust laws that keep people from getting into positions to overturn unjust laws.
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it was probably not put there against trans people in the first place, I’ll give you that.
but it definitely stops trans people from getting the work without renouncing to their own identity. it’s an unjust law against trans people, there’s no discussion of that.
it’s not like trans people aren’t aware of the law and that’s why they don’t abide, it’s because they don’t want to give up their dignity by using their dead name.
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