I can’t see Apple letting this ride
Which is rich considering they reverse-engineered MS Office formats to get their office suite to work
Is that true? I thought the specs were publicly available
AFAIK only the “new” formats are (for the basic apps, the ones ending on x). Apple’s office suite is much older than those.
I think most if not all of those formats are plaintext? Open a .doc and it’s a heap of garbage XML-like soup.
It is now but the older formats used to be more like an executable byte code. Efficient but insecure.
Well they’ve blocked it once. It’ll be interesting to watch. Not sure of the legalities. Hard to say.
I mean I applaud the efforts but if you can convince your friends a family to use Signal, that’s way better
My dad texts. I’ve mentioned we could share HD videos and Photos over something like signal. He refused. RCS was a godsend for texting him. Making people change their ways isn’t feasible, even if you’re OK with using like 5 different texting apps.
I’m still unclear on why this whole thing is so important that it’s worth putting time and money into finding a solution for the color of word bubbles.
Edit: all this time I thought it was just an argument over bubble colors. But no, it’s also potato quality videos and pictures ruining every group message with both Apple and Android in the mix.
I’m still unclear why this gets asked every post unless people keep ignoring the answers.
Me too, really do not understand this on Lemmy of all places. It isn’t and never has been outside of people still school age been about the color of the bubble. I truly want to understand this to the point I’m going to start asking anyone who posts this personally the following:
Do you A) really think that the following are not at all important to people:
- Read receipts
- Typing indicators
- Reactions
- Transferring photos/videos in a way that doesn’t look they were shot on an early 90s camera phone
- Potential E2EE *(Potential because my points are not necessarily specific to Beeper Mini and iMessage, but also relevant to the conversation around Apple supporting RCS and the unknowns about how that will work)
B) Not aware of these things or any of the differences between iMessage, SMS, RCS, etc and truly believe the only difference is the bubble color? C) Is this just a smug reaction to the possibility that one of these App work arounds work iMessage will no longer be as exclusive if they were to succeed, and trying to reduce down the desires of those who would use it (and also the desires of Apple users who want these benefits with everyone regardless of who manufactured their phone)
@Usernameblankface@lemmy.world I’d be curious to know which phone platform you use?
I think the point is all these features are supported by RCS. Open standard that would be trivial for Apple to implement. They choose not to because they are greedy cunts. They are fully aware that this causes bullying and inability of tech illiterate to communicate with their friends/family.
Nobody older than 13 cares about color of text messages and most people recognize convenience of a single app for all messaging needs. This is an issue that Apple could trivially make disappear overnight if they weren’t cunts.
Fuck Apple.
Yeah RCS supports all of these so it’s apples refusal to use established standards as usual
I use Android, specifically Samsung.
I thought it was just the bubble color thing and people getting made fun of for their bubble color because that’s what every headline on the subject is about, and comments rarely go into depth about the rest of the issues that come from this incompatibility.
I’ve noticed similar incompatibility between Verizon messages app and non-verizon standard messages apps.
Thanks for responding, genuinely trying to understand it a bit, admittedly expected that most fall into C) especially in these techy areas.
So you’re saying it’s just about bubble color
I’m agreeing with you maybe I’m just misreading the tone of your reply haha.
Yeah I was being stupid/silly :)
It’s really about interoperability of systems, protocols, services, and clients. Since we’re both using Lemmy I assume we both understand at least a bit about the significance of interoperability.
I think it’s a shame that effort is put in to reverse engineering.
I mean theoretically it would be possible for people to use apps that are already cross platform, like Signal. People just care less than the inconvenience of installing an app on their phone.
Cross-platform clients, yes, but that’s only a (small) part of the way there. For example, Signal is actively hostile to other client implementations just like Apple is with iMessage, unfortunately :(
While it’s fine to criticize Signal in that instance, I hope no one discards it because of that. Things don’t have to be perfect to be better alternatives, and Signal is so far along to be a good alternative that if you would personally, idk, insist on only using Matrix or whatever and refuse to use Signal, you’d probably be contraproductive for the whole privacy and openness thing.
It’s fine to prefer something else but I think it’s positive to be fine with using Signal too.
Which is funny considering that apples current implementation is less secure because sending the non-imessage users from iMessage breaks the encryption, meaning everything sent to a non-imessage recipient is sent in plain text.
Seems like it’s designed to get Apple users to push away anyone who uses a non-apple device
I have a friend who use iMessage on their Mac and will check that more often than their phone. If I text them during work hours, it’ll be hours before hearing back from them. Turns out, from what I’m told, iMessage on Mac has a setting to not show SMS on the desktop, so my messages were only going to their phone, which wasn’t checked as frequently. I guess when you enable SMS, notifications get messed up, and read SMS on your iPhone aren’t synced, and show up as unread (or something like that). In anycase, SMS got turned off at some point.
Obviously, none of this is really my problem, but it’s frustrating, more than just the color of the bubbles. The Network effect is real, and asking someone to switch to a new platform is not as easy as it sounds.
Because people are stupid and the whole world’s gone fucking crazy.
Your ignorance oh what transpires doesn’t mean people are crazy.
Annoying, yes. Crazy, no.
OK. And?
It’s been posted many times around here.
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Why+are+iMessage+blue+bubbles+so+important
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Underlying implementation already is. You can connect to iMessage and send and receive messages using the python implementation on your PC if you want.
Here is their POC in Python:https://github.com/JJTech0130/pypush
And their article explaining it: https://blog.beeper.com/p/how-beeper-mini-works
I mean, it won’t be. It’s quite clear that while the Beeper company may have good intentions on paper, they also definitely want to make as much money as possible. They aren’t 100% bad, but also not 100% good either.
Considering they directly communicate with Apples servers and make money from that, I can’t believe that their company will last long legally. The only way to keep Android users being able to use this will be to make it open source and go “underground”. But I hope Apple will have a massive PR disaster on their hands while this happens.
Considering they directly communicate with Apples servers and make money from that…
But, isn’t that what APIs do? Why would that get Beeper in legal trouble if they are paying their license fee? I’m not being facetious, genuinely curious.
There is no public iMessage API that people can pay to use. Beeper (or rather the code it’s based on) reverse-engineered the iMessage protocol and server APIs and they simply make the same requests as the iMessage app on iOS would.
Saved my marriage.
I can’t tell if this guy is great at being sarcastic and I’m too dense to appreciate it, or if he’s genuinely clueless and thinks his complex relationship problems can be saved my a messaging app.
