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cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/44904749

I heard about this in the UK elections recently, and someone recommended it to me recently for the US elections, because I said I empathize with the people who are voting against Kamala because of the genocide, despite being a Kamala supporter myself (you've probably seen me around arguing as such lol).

Basically, it's a system where people in safe states, like me, agree to trade votes with someone in a swing state. So the safe state person would vote with the heart of the person in the swing state, so they can kind of vote their heart and mind at the same time.

Is this a thing we could set up? Would it be legal to make a community for that, or would it rub against laws about affecting votes or something? There was even a whole site for the UK, but not sure if it would work in the US.

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[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

We're not just not breaking with them. We're arming the genocide and putting boots on the ground to protect them from anyone trying to defend themselves from Israel. We've given nearly $20 billion dollars to Israel. She's also the Vice-President and has tried to associate herself with everything the current administration is doing. When given the chance to put on a Palestine-American speaker at the DNC, they didn't allow it, but did allow Israeli-American speakers. Then she proclaimed they had the most lethal army in the world and would always defend Israel. She has said she wouldn't do anything different from what Biden is doing. She said Iran is the number one enemy, who is trying to stop Israel and defend themselves from them, instead of let's say, Russia. She said she supports a ceasefire, but also said an arms embargo was off the table, which puts her and Biden to the right of Reagan, and is basically the only things Arab-Americans and groups like Jewish Voices for Peace are asking for, as Netanyahu will not do a ceasefire unless forced to by something like an embargo. Those are the kinds of people that I mean she's alienated.

Ignoring these voices like Democrats are doing doesn't mean they don't exist. You have to put yourself in the mindset of someone who's family member was just burned alive in a hospital Israel bombed by a weapon sold to them by Biden with the new candidate not saying they're changing tact at all. If someone shot your child, then told you have to vote for them because the other guy would've been shot your child twice, you're not going to give them your endorsement. You're going to say fuck you for trying to make me support the genocide of my own family, neither of you are helping me, screw it, if you want my vote you know how to get it. Hell, you might try to kill them. These are humans we're talking about here, giving, feeling beings, not robots. I'm afraid bullying, downplaying genocide, and trying to say Trump is worse isn't working, and the razor thing margins show it's not.

A vote swapping thread, site, or community isn't much, but idk, it's something.

And once again, my friends aren't voting third party, hell they're all Harris stans who care less about the genocide than I do, but I'm just saying they're worried about losing swing states because they're all politics-heads who watch the polls and saw her leads narrowing, and I thought of this idea in a discussion with them. Basically create some sort of vote swapping community online. There doesn't seem to be a lot of support. Maybe people would rather just give up, or argue with people online then come together to find a compromise 😩

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 0 points 3 weeks ago

Like I said, if you want to give Kamala Harris a hard time for not breaking with:

We’re arming the genocide and putting boots on the ground to protect them from anyone trying to defend themselves from Israel.

Or:

We’ve given nearly $20 billion dollars to Israel.

When her current sin is basically:

She’s also the Vice-President

... you have my blessing for it. Putting pressure on her to break away from the DNC, Biden, every Republican, and everyone else in Washington that's in love with the idea of killing Palestinians sounds like a good idea. I'm just saying that singling her out as the villain, and not voting for her in the election as the solution to that villainy, I don't think it going to be the success that you would expect it to be.

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