Like I said, if you want to give Kamala Harris a hard time for not breaking with:

We’re arming the genocide and putting boots on the ground to protect them from anyone trying to defend themselves from Israel.

Or:

We’ve given nearly $20 billion dollars to Israel.

When her current sin is basically:

She’s also the Vice-President

… you have my blessing for it. Putting pressure on her to break away from the DNC, Biden, every Republican, and everyone else in Washington that’s in love with the idea of killing Palestinians sounds like a good idea. I’m just saying that singling her out as the villain, and not voting for her in the election as the solution to that villainy, I don’t think it going to be the success that you would expect it to be.

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When did Harris alienate anybody? Netanyahu is engaged in a genocide. Several generations of American leaders have enabled Israel to do all sorts of similar things, since the days when Kamala Harris was a literal child. Biden decided to not break with Netanyahu. I don’t see Harris’s fingerprints anywhere on Gaza.

I’m not trying to give her a free pass for anything she’s said, or if she does continue enabling the slaughter once she’s in office, which to all indications, she might well do. By all means, protest against her Gaza policy, give her and any other politicians a hard time. Do whatever. God knows the Palestinians need it. I’m just saying that voting in the election in any way that risks Trump getting into office is about the most stupid and backwards way imaginable to try to influence her to have a better Gaza policy. It is disciplining your child by shooting them with a handgun, all of a sudden, and then saying they should have known better. It is an irreversible and horrifying solution which doesn’t do anything to improve the problem it is attempting to improve.

I know it’s been mostly Republican polls recently, but I still see it worrying some friends in real life, so this is my attempt at a solution.

Everyone can do what they want to do, including your friends, and including you. I’m just saying that in my opinion, your friends are making a grave mistake, and explaining why, and I don’t really agree with feeding into their “vote with the heart” tactics.

If someone gets in a car accident with spinal damage, and his mom runs over and grabs his and carries him and tries to look after him, he still might get paralyzed because she shouldn’t have moved him until the ambulance got there. She’s acting with her heart. It’s understandable. It’s a human thing. But she might cause horrifying damage. Your friends are doing the same.

A Trump win, on the other hand, could cause shocks. Transactional in his foreign policy outlook, Trump has long argued that the NATO alliance is a bad deal for the United States, and many of his advisers urge the U.S. to redirect its resources to competing with China. While full withdrawal from NATO is unlikely, a Trump administration could trim U.S. commitments to Europe’s defence, while boosting the morale of far-right European politicians working against a stronger, more integrated Europe.

This is outlandish sanewashing.

Let me try:

A Trump win, on the other hand, could cause an unmitigated global catastrophe unprecedented in modern history. Openly violent and depraved, Trump has long allied himself with several of the worst people in the world, notably including Vladimir Putin, and would do his best to destroy NATO completely while giving overt assistance to forces which are actively hostile to anything European. While full withdrawal from NATO is one possible outcome, the damage would be by no means limited to simple, predictable changes like that. Trump is so unhinged that there is virtually no economic, military, or diplomatic disaster that would be off the table, were he to win a second term.

This election is going to be so weird that I’m not sure the concept of “safe states” applies.

A county clerk could decide not to certify, and your safe state’s total could be excluding a whole urban area so all of a sudden it’s a swing state until after a court battle. The Republican state legislature could just decide to throw the whole thing out. Mike Johnson could decide he doesn’t like the results and he’s going to call the election for Trump. It could be anything.

Personally, I’m thinking a lot more in terms of “What if they steal the election, what am I personally going to do about it,” and not in terms of “Hey how can I find a stranger on the internet and make a demonstrative gesture.” If you want to protest against the war in Gaza or the US’s support for it, that sounds absolutely great. But anything other than Trump losing this election is going to be a true catastrophe for the Palestinians, and the chance that your non-vote for Harris in a “safe” state is going to be interpreted by the establishment as a protest against their Gaza policy and produce any good effect is basically 0, I think. Just go to a protest, or donate or volunteer for a pro-Palestinian congressperson, or something along those lines, would be my thinking on it.

Chinese researchers break 22-bit RSA encryption.

It’s still important news but that headline is deliberately missing that crucial little bit of scope.

It might not end the Gaza genocide. It will also not cure cancer, end climate change, or stop political violence in the United States. However, electing Harris will produce a hugely better outcome on all of those fronts than will electing Trump.

If you care about the Palestinian people, and you’re risking Trump getting into power again, you don’t actually care about the Palestinian people. You just enjoy grandstanding gestures, and while you’re making your gestures, you’re flirting with making their already horrifying situation absolutely infinitely worse.

You can use Creative Commons. You’ll still have the copyright to the work, so you can relicense it or do whatever you like with it, but they’ll have a particular and proscribed set of things they are guaranteed to be able to do with it into perpetuity.

Choose whichever license suits what you’d like to be able to grant them, in terms of whether they have to credit you for it, whether they’re allowed to modify it, and so on. CC BY lets them do whatever they want, as long as they credit you, which is a common permissive option.

Nah. You have to follow your own style.

Bertrand Russel had his own style, and it’s complete, formal, heartfelt and true. If he tried to add a bunch of cursing to it, it would become inauthentic, just as it would if someone whose natural mode is to start cursing and punching decided to try to talk like Bertrand Russel. Everyone’s got their voice.

For an equally complete, formal, heartfelt and true example which does include cursing, see:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cleveland-browns-letters/

Sounds good. If you redid the import, I think you’ll want to make some manual fixes to the .json. Off the top of my head, I think you just need to add bbc.co.uk and aljazeera.com to the URL lists for those sources.

I never abused the report system. That was the mod of News abusing the rule, I only ever reported stuff hurled at me which never ever got removed even when it was very obvious personal attacks or other people doing exactly what I had a comment removed for.

Can you link to some examples of people abusing you? You don’t have to spend a ton of time on it if you don’t want to. I’m just curious.

Moderation is never completely fair. It can’t be. I’m just saying that by some coincidence, the moderators that interacted with you are some of the only ones who I tend to agree with a lot of the time.

And I 100% will admit that I’ve called for the removal of Israel. I don’t view that as the negative FlyingSquid does.

It’s not just FlyingSquid. I think calling for “removing” Moscow, or Washington, or Israel, or Gaza, or Ukraine, for whatever reasons of geopolitical argument, would lead to your removal from most communities outside of the instances that tend to get defederated.

You can hold whatever views you want, but surely breaking the community rules on purpose by speaking about them, and then getting banned, isn’t a confusing outcome.

I moderate differently than I comment. Moderation for me is only about removing spam etc or obvious bad actors, people voting are what determines what’s visible not what I’ve decided should be allowed.

Maybe so. It could work fine. Definitely having you be a member of the community instead of someone coming from above, and open about what you’re doing and why, is a step in the right direction. I’m just saying that moderation is hard and thankless work that is going to bring you into contact with a lot of obnoxious people, and refraining from becoming obnoxious or unfair yourself, as you deal with that day in and day out, is a lot more difficult than it seems like it would be.

My guess is that a good portion of that comes down to the quality and breadth (or lack thereof) of the Lemmy built-in moderation tools. Combined with volunteer moderation and a presidential election year in the US, and I’m sure the moderation load is close to overwhelming and they don’t really have the tools they need to be more sophisticated or efficient about it.

I completely agree. I have a whole mini-essay that I’ve been meaning to write about this, about problems of incentives and social contracts on Lemmy-style servers in the fediverse that I think lead to a lot of these issues that keep cropping up.

Your actor (https://lemmy.today/u/tal)'s public key is:

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All ActivityPub users have their own private keys. I’m not completely sure, and I just took a quick look through the code and protocols and couldn’t find the place where vote activity signatures are validated. But I swear I thought that all ActivityPub activities including votes were signed with the key of the actor that did them.

Regardless, I know that when votes federate, they do get identified according to the person who did the vote.

In practice, you are completely correct that the trust is per-instance, since the instance DB keeps all the actor private keys anyway, so it’s six of one vs. half dozen of the other whether you have 100 fake votes from bad.instance signed with that instance’s TLS key, or 100 fake votes signed with individual private keys that bad.instance made up. I’m just nitpicking about how it works at a protocol level.

That’s not quite true. If a community was resolved but no one’s currently subscribed to it, for example because someone searched for it or subscribed and then unsubscribed, you’ll see exactly the situation that you’re looking at. You’ll see partial content and almost no votes.

!globalnews@lemmy.zip and !politics@sh.itjust.works are the best news communities I’m aware of.

Especially with “scaled” sorting, there’s no real downside to subscribing to any number of them, but if I had to pick one for each category, those would be the ones. Mostly, my metric is that interesting stories reliably come across the feed without a lot of dreck.

It’s very obvious that someone is doing deliberate astroturfing on Lemmy. How much is an open question, but some amount of it is definitely happening.

The open question, to me, is why the .world moderation team seems so totally uninterested in dealing with the topic. For example, they’re happy for UniversalMonk to spam for Jill Stein in a way that openly violates the rules, that almost every single member of the community is against, and that objectively makes the community worse. Why that is happening is a baffling and interesting question to me.

“This magazine is not receiving updates” is why it’s out of sync. It’s no different than a Lemmy instance which isn’t syncing updates from a community. You’ll be able to see the community, and sometimes see some content on it, but it’ll be missing most of the votes. Also, when you first subscribe to a community, you’ll get a handful of recent posts, but none of the votes, so you’ll see content with the voting all wrong.

Mbin might also be flaky about syncing with Lemmy instances, but that’s not the reason in this case that the votes are out of sync.

I looked over the votes for a couple of the posts in !world@quokk.au. I’ve seen voting in that past that seemed faked, but nothing in this community jumped out at me.

As much as I’m in favor of a !world community that isn’t on lemmy.world, because there’s clearly some kind of rot going on there, I’m not sure how good an idea it is to have someone who’s habitually gotten their own stuff banned in the past be the boss of a new community. He didn’t get banned for tangling with the mods, he got banned for advocating violence, abusing the report feature, and things like that.

Of course, diversity is good, obviously. Let’s see what he does with it.

Maybe it could be addressed with cryptographically-signed votes

That is how it works, I believe. Each vote has to be signed by the actor of the user that voted.

There have been people who did transparent vote-stuffing by creating fake accounts en masse and get detected, because they were using random strings of letters for the usernames. Probably it’s happened more subtly than that and not been detected sometimes, too, but it’s not quite as simple as just reporting a high number.

I already sent it. It’s here:

https://ponder.cat/wp/wp-sources.zip

Edit: You don’t need to do the import initially, since there’s already a sources file with some small modifications. The import is the only complicated part. Use categorize.py to categorize a source, or lookup.py to run a quick command-line test.

On a different topic: It sounds like jordanlund is saying that if he tried to remove the MBFC bot from the politics sub, he might be removed as a moderator, and replaced with someone else, and the bot would come back.

https://lemmy.world/comment/12825768

Is that true? Is the admin team mandating the use of this bot, and if so, why?

Here you go:

https://ponder.cat/wp/wp-sources.zip

It’s in python, suitable for sticking directly into the bot if the bot is in python. There are docs. It’s a first cut. How did you envision this working? I can make a real API, if for some reason that makes things easier, but it’s not immediately obvious how it would get integrated into things.

Running it on the last 50 articles posted to /c/politics, we see:

• https://lemmy.world/post/20739836: Source is unreliable since ownership change
• https://lemmy.world/post/20736298: Source is unreliable for political topics since 2011
• https://lemmy.world/post/20724155: Reliability consensus is mixed
• https://lemmy.world/post/20723675: Source is unreliable
• https://lemmy.world/post/20722912: Source is unreliable
• https://lemmy.world/post/20722910: Reliability consensus is mixed
• https://lemmy.world/post/20716118: Reliability consensus is mixed
• https://slrpnk.net/post/14127964: Reliability consensus is mixed

It’s more complex to use this than MBFC, because there’s a lot more depth to the rankings, and sometimes human judgement is needed to assign scores. There’s a category “needinfo,” meaning it’s necessary to know what topic is being discussed or when an article was written, because of an ownership change or similar factor. I’ve applied that judgement above. That, to me, is a good thing. It means the bot is grounded in something, and not just blithely spitting out arbitrary scores without bothering to ground them in any reality.

In practice, I think it would be realistic to assign a single reliability ranking to most of the “needinfo” sources. You can manually edit the .json data to do so. Almost all of the posts are going to fit into one of Wikipedia’s categorizations or another. Newsweek is unreliable, The Guardian is reliable, and so on.

I think most of the mixed-consensus sources can be used without a second thought. Mostly, the questions about them boil down to open partisanship of the source, which for a political community is perfectly fine as long as they’re trustable factually.

If you want me to boil this down further, so that it gives a single “yes” or “no” score to each source, I can do that and probably keep almost all of the accuracy of the rankings, now that I’ve looked at it for a little while.

When you talk about “adding” this to the bot, are you proposing to still have MBFC be the main source, with this as a footnote? A lot of the criticism of the bot is on the grounds that MBFC is a very bad source for judging reliability, so I would question the idea of keeping it on as the primary source.