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[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Absolutely agree. The two sides need to be separated and put in time out.

However disarming Israel is politically impossible when they're a cyber weapons super power.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Israel is a way more prosper place than Palestine and hence its people have way more to lose if the country is placed under sanctions, its companies cut off from trading with the West and its members of governament personally held accountable internationally.

(Basically they're susceptible to the same kind of pressure that forced the authorities in South Africa to end Apartheid and have genuinelly democratic elections)

Those who have the most to lose are the easiest to convince, which is also why, on the other side, not even treating Hamas as a terrorist organisation (which is an even harder thing than "mere" sanctions) has stopped them from finding "soldiers" - as long as Israel makes sure those born in Palestine have nothing to lose, for many even joining an organisation internationally viewed as terrorist is still a step-up in life.

If you pardon my language (but I think the situation deserves it), it's quite paradoxical that the International community has to fuck up Israel enough so that they stop fucking up the life of Palestinians so much, to the point that the lives of said Palestinians improves enough that they end up having enough to lose from siding with or joining Hamas (which is alread being fucked up).

Then again, maybe it's not a paradox: look at how the only way to stop a similar bully, Russia, requires "fucking them up" in that way (being more integrated with the West, not having natural resources like that, and being a whole lot more democratic (even if imperfectly so) Israel would be a lot easier to sway away from acting as a bully.

As far as I can see, it's either that or the genocide of Palestinians and I would hope that not even in this day and age and not even if it's one of the "slow boiling" kind, most people in the West would be ok with a genocide.