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Project 2025 chief’s book urges ‘burning’ of FBI, New York Times and Boy Scouts (www.theguardian.com)
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Summary

Kevin Roberts, president of the Heritage Foundation and architect of Trump’s Project 2025, employs intense fire-related rhetoric in his upcoming book, Dawn’s Early Light: Taking Back Washington to Save America, advocating for a “controlled burn” of institutions he deems corrupt or antithetical to conservative goals.

Roberts calls for dismantling entities like the FBI, Ivy League schools, and the New York Times, framing it as necessary to “renew” America.

His incendiary language has sparked controversy, with critics alarmed by the violent imagery and its implications for Trump’s second term.

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[–] scripthook@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Right but a lot of 2025 restructuring is limited by the 3 branches of goverment. You can’t just get rid of the FBI so easily. You can’t deport illegals on a massive scale so easily. He has big promises but he won’t be able to do nearly as much. Even with loyalists there is a reason why our founders made certain overhauls difficult. Because of people like him…

[–] Jyek@sh.itjust.works 3 points 42 minutes ago (1 children)

At the end of the day those roadblocks are just laws. Laws that he has been cleared to break as long as he does so under the pretense of an official act.

[–] scripthook@lemmy.world 1 points 39 minutes ago (1 children)

So technically yes and no. He cant just say he wants to get rid of the fbi or remove term limits at will. Study how the Goverment works

[–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 1 points 25 minutes ago

Their goal is to break it. They control all branches of government. Who is there to stop them?

[–] Cheems@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago

Laying the ground work for a really quiet coup ay

[–] SasquatchCosmonaut@lemmy.world 32 points 4 hours ago (4 children)

Why the fuck would you get rid of boy scouts it's literally a patriotic paramilitary (kinda) organization with a checkered past on sexual abuse that should be a Republican wet dream lol

[–] Wahots@pawb.social 3 points 47 minutes ago (1 children)

Paramilitary is stretching it a bit, stuff like shooting guns is optional and with guidelines from the sane past. It plays an anemic role in the BSA, tbh.

The vast majority of boy scouts is learning constructive things like how to cook, how to perform first aid on someone who got injured in a car accident or hike, how to use a map and compass if you get lost, and basic financial planning so you aren't an idiot with money.

In short, it prepares you for life and situations where someone might freeze up if they don't know what to do in an emergency. It also makes people fluent with the outdoors and feel comfortable spending time outside of the big city.

Tldr; it's a group that prevents incel or gang behavior and helps people make friends.

[–] SasquatchCosmonaut@lemmy.world 1 points 22 minutes ago

When I said paramilitary I was really just talking about the ranks and leadership structure.

[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 24 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

They renamed themselves the Scouts and let in girls. Maybe that's why? These people are insane and evil, so honestly it doesn't matter why.

[–] Custodian1623@lemmy.world 9 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

which was done to keep the organization afloat revenue wise and weirdos on the internet tried to call it woke in a bizarre case of friendly fire

[–] Lennny@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Also because scouting exists in many other cultures and most of them are mixed. Intercamp fucking slaps

[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 hours ago

They’ve done a lot to prevent child abuse recently. That upsets republicans.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

but then they got woke

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 56 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

We were close to holding right wing extremists accountable. We needed one more term at least. It was clear how suddenly Republicans try to denounce the FBI as a liberal institution after Wray said that white supremacists were the #1 domestic terrorist threat.

Now, we're fucked.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago

I think they want the FBI gone because they go after child traffickers.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 29 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

We were close to holding right wing extremists accountable.

"We" had four goddamn years and did absolutely fuck-all with it! Frankly, in retrospect, the fix was in when Biden appointed Merrick Garland instead of somebody who would actually care about the rule of law and do his goddamn job.

[–] Wahots@pawb.social 2 points 39 minutes ago

Four years to fix a global pandemic and undo some of the trump admin damage.

That was the bipartisan infrastructure act to shore up stuff like roads, bridges and more, the IRA to address inflation, climate goals (freed up a ton of money for green infrastructure, replacing outdated equipment at factories like gas smelters and furnaces) and more, the CHIPS and science act to counter china and restart manufacturing here in the US, as well as smaller stuff like debt relief for students, consumer protections against banks and airlines, and repealing DOMA via respect of marriage act for interracial and queer families.

In addition to conquering covid and rescuing a crashing economy in 2020. He realistically did most of this in two years because Republicans blocked them at the midterms.

Not to mention a lot of anti-competitve and merger blocks that would have fucked our country, like having one grocery store brand across the entire US. (These will probably go through in a trump admin)

He wasn't able to get it all done, but he had one arm tied behind his back and still got a decent amount done before they got hamstrung.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 14 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

I know this isn't popular, but because I've literally never seen a substantive counter-argument for this, I have to say that I think Merrick Garland did all that he could given the stacked courts surrounding him. Nobody could've done better. He was clearly building a case from the bottom up that is a classic example of RICO prosecution style, hence the largest criminal investigation in the FBI's history when going after those who committed January 6th. That was always going to lead to Trump. People, however are dreaming and romanticizing this belief that we could've "got" Trump within one year's time and that was never possible.

The only thing that matters is that many Americans knew what Trump was, and a large swath opted to sit out and go, "Both sides!"

We couldn't even convince the proverbial jury that was the American people of crimes in plain sight when they gave a verdict on November 5th.

[–] kandoh@reddthat.com 9 points 3 hours ago

I would disagree, I have only my own perception to go off of but from my observations:

There were 3 or 4 prosecutors chomping at the bit to go after Trump but Garland held them back.

It wasn't until they found out about the missing documents that things changed. Even then Garland just wanted the documents returned, if Trump had complied that would have been the end of it.

It wasn't until Trump refused to return specific documents that we knew he had - that crossed a red line for Garland.

Once you let one prosecutor go after Trump, what's the excuse for holding back the others? So the flood gate was open, but only when every attempt was made to let Trump get away with it all.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 13 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

For perspective, Hitler was arrested, tried, imprisoned, wrote Mein Kampf, and already released by when this much time had passed after the Beer Hall Putsch. I don't really give a fuck what the excuses are; the fact that it was delayed this fucking long is absolutely wrong and, if not an indictment of Garland himself directly, then an indictment of the whole system of which he was the fucking head! Either way, Garland was incompetent at best and absolutely deserves all the blame he gets, and more.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago

Unfortunately Hitler's Putsch was far more clear cut and our court systems already largely ruined by the time Garland assumed his office in 2021. Hitler never had the power to corrupt the courts preceding his failed coup. I also don't know if we can compare 1:1 our criminal justice system to 1920s Germany.

[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 16 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

This is just a continuation of the wants of the Koch brothers libertarian party agenda from 1979/80.

But, yes, we are fucked.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010/08/30/covert-operations

https://lpedia.org/wiki/Document:National_Platform_1980

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

I know very little about the Chevron doctrine but I know that the overturning of that made it possible for corporations to essentially ignore any administrative oversight.

I often wondered what would happen if someone were to take the frequencies of the military or even airport flight control and just started broadcasting. Does the FCC have delegated authority? If they don't, sounds like anyone can broadcast Rick Astley on any frequency.

The problem that these justices and elites seem to forget is that they are trusting on the very systems they dismantling working for them.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

I know very little about the Chevron doctrine but I know that the overturning of that made it possible for corporations to essentially ignore any administrative oversight.

I saw an interesting thing yesterday saying that legally this could backfire because federal agencies can now be sued for their interpretation of the law.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I do expect that our future includes a lot of stupid plane crashes because of lax regulation

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 hours ago

But shareholders will get rich.

That's all that matters.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

It is not just a continuation of this. Maybe some of the economic things in P2025 come from there, but I don't think the Koch's were ever trying to ban pornography and track women's menstrual cycles.

[–] oxjox@lemmy.ml 32 points 6 hours ago (4 children)

My personal reaction to reading this is that I want to pick up the book just to better understand what he believes these conservatives values are. Then I realized this is like trying to understand why Hitler wanted to gas the Jews.

What's more important is why the fuck Americans are democratically voting for this. I'm going to venture to guess (and hope) that the majority of people who voted for Trump have no clue what they voted for. I'd like to hope that teachers are going to use this moment in time to perfectly frame it along with the rise of Nazi Germany but I know that Trump also intends on burning down the DoE. Teachers will be prevented from using history to educate students.

Incidentally, I'm already exhausted by all the "news" being made about why the Dems lost and Trump prevailed. We have to be discussing why our media and our existing elected officials are all ignoring the plight of middle class Americans while failing, as they have always done, to educate people.

I remember as a kid hearing presidential debates and getting aggravated that the politicians weren't answering questions. And then in interviews and news reports a topic will be discussed but the contexts and ramifications of that topic are often left out (time constraints, etc). Quick example; why Biden sent arms to Israel has as much, if not more, to do with Iran as it does Gaza. WHY is never explained in political discourse and the media never pressures or holds officials accountable. I am terrified of what Trump will do to our already squeamish journalism community.

I still blame the media for Trump's 2016 win and I'm blaming them again today. People are clueless. Not to say they're unintelligent, they are uneducated regarding politics and history.

People are all in their own bubbles living their day to day lives and occasionally see headlines on their mobile apps. They're subtly influenced, sometimes by the news media but I'd venture to guess equality often by the efforts of Russian, Iranian, and Chinese disinformation armies.

Moreover, this far from a new issue. I was just reading and commented on a story about Musk being the most powerful unelected citizen in America. This reminded me a bit of the guy Citizen Cane was based off of. William Randolph Hearst owned a sprawling media company and used his influence to publish articles that were favorable to Nazis.

How are we not only allowing this but voting in favor of it?

Something is broken. It's not the political parties. It's evidently not the electoral college. Schools have always taught about WWII so it's not our education system. It could be the two party first-past-the post voting system. It could be how election campaigns are financed.

I think we're distracted. I think there's too much going on in modern lives. Too many Americans are struggling to get by while also using every moment of free time to disengage. There's basic government and economic policies and norms that people are clueless about. Take drilling for oil: most Americans think that if we drill for more oil our gas prices will go down. That's not at all true. This will only increase profits for the oil companies because, while the US actually produces more oil than any other country, we lack the infrastructure to refine the oil we have. Honestly, I only learned about that this week. Not to mention the whole tariff thing that republicans are clueless about. Above all else, I'm terrified that Trump's presidency is going to bankrupt Americans.

As this article alludes to, Americans should know that the GOP agenda is to dismantle federal agencies and replace them with private corporations. Some agencies and services will go to the states while others will become Wall Street funded corporations. Theoretically, federal taxes should decrease but state and homeowner taxes are going to sky rocket. The costs of goods and services is going to sky rocket while the quality plummets over time. This has been in the playbook since before Reagan got into office. Now they have the momentum, the votes, and the stooge in the White House to make it happen.

Don't be distracted as the stock market goes to the moon. This is their agenda – to make themselves richer on the backs of clueless Americans.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 9 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

Your point about the debate thing is really what gets me. They ask a question and the person on the other end might be close to the answer or they might give some vague response but the moderators are always gutless about it.

“I asked you this question, answer it or we will assume you have no answer and move on.”

[–] oxjox@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

This is the kind of stuff that makes me turn on or at least waiver on the candidates I fully support. These interviewers are asking question on behalf to he public - the people you intend to represent. Answer them!

[–] pmk@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

In an ideal world, dodging questions would lead to decreased popularity. Politicians should feel that if they give bullshit answers, they will not get elected. To get there, we must actually demand, reward, and punish with the power we have, our votes. Of course, one person doing it makes no difference. We need to convince others that this is important.

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 hours ago

Shock collars during interviews would be entertaining and help keep people on topic

[–] VantaBrandon@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Great comment, I share many of those concerns.

I guess I'm not so worried that he will bankrupt America per se, but that the US dollar will be diminished in value, and all of the effort, savings and social security that we're all banking on in the future become nearly worthless, while billionaires plunder our country and continue to reap value in spite of the worthlessness.

I'm also concerned Trump is going to die mid-term, and Vance will be running as a better positioned incumbent.

The supreme court, well, that's just a lost cause at this point. I don't see it ever coming back into balance in my lifetime, and perhaps the country goes with it.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 95 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

He hates the Boy Scouts and BlackRock? But is also super right-wing? Who is this guy?

[–] dgmib@lemmy.world 1 points 45 minutes ago

A scout’s job is to gather facts and information, and report back so that an army can make informed decisions.

Can’t imagine why a right-wing extremist would be afraid of an organization that teaches those skills to kids.

[–] gothic_lemons@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Maybe wants to turn the boy scouts into a new hitler youth or make way for it

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 65 points 8 hours ago (30 children)

The boy scouts one is especially baffling. A lot of boys become more traditionally "manly" through boy scouts. It is physically active and they typically learn skills like camping, fire starting, wood working. We were also expected to do good deeds, be polite, and overall be decent members of society that help where is needed, such as litter clean ups and tree plantings. I guess the latter half of my point is where their issues start?

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 92 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

Maybe because they now allow girls to participate. Integration is "woke" and must be destroyed.

[–] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 5 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

They are changing the name to just "Scouts" to reflect this. And is 100% why these assholes have an issue with them now.

On May 7, 2024, BSA announced that the organization will change its name to Scouting America. While the name change will officially go into effect on February 8, 2025, on its 115th anniversary, all are encouraged to use the name immediately.

Wikipedia: BSA

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 22 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

I didn't know that part. I thought conservatives hate them because they now allow gay leaders after being sued to pieces over it. Also didn't they crack down on pedophiles in the organization? That is the number one pastime of conservative men.

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[–] MightBeAlpharius@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago

I think the issue started a little over a decade ago, when the Boy Scouts got in some hot water for discriminating against gay kids and they actually tried to be better.

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[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 11 points 6 hours ago

Biden leaves Afghanistan, the Taliban takes over.

Biden leaves the white house, the Taliban takes over.

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