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[–] ArcaneGadget@lemmy.world 95 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (18 children)

"The Ocean Cleanup" is a great effort and I support their mission wholeheartedly. BUT looking at the bigger picture; it seems completely asinine to fish garbage put of the ocean and call that the solution to pollution, instead of preventing it from getting there in the first place. This is not meant as a criticism of "The Ocean Cleanup", but of global society in general. One minute you see them removing the Pacific garbage patch and the next you see whole rivers covered in plastic waste flowing out into the ocean from certain countries.

Edit: Fishing it out of the rivers before it enters the ocean is also a good effort. But it doesn't address the underlying problem any better than cleaning ot out of the ocean. Also; some people seem to think I'm bashing "The Ocean Cleanup" and similar organisations. I'm very much not. They do great, necessary work. I'm just frustrated that said work is needed, and more importantly; that it doesn't seem to be on track to stop being needed anytime in the near-ish future.

[–] Luminocta@lemmy.world 43 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They are doing similar tryouts in Big Rivers now too. But that's a lot harder than cleaning what's already stagnant.

The sheer force of the water and waste is difficult to hold in place with nets. But they're definitely working on it.

I trust programs like this and admire the work. It's a good thing for life in general to get rid of that shit. It's just abysmal that companies still use so much plastic for everything.

[–] ArcaneGadget@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

No doubt it's good work, but the plastic shouldn't get in there in the first place. That was my only point.

[–] pupbiru@aussie.zone 5 points 1 month ago

it shouldn’t, but realistically it will and given that it’s good to be able to clean it up

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[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago

Climate is a thing where no matter how big your solution is, it's only part of a larger solution-cluster.

We need it all, and then the rest of it, too.

[–] EmoDuck@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)

[...] the next you see whole rivers covered in plastic waste flowing out into the ocean from certain countries.

Which is why they're working on exactly that

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[–] emiellr@lemm.ee 17 points 1 month ago

Except they're not calling it the solution, just a remedy to a literally growing problem. Even if people stopped polluting the ocean in an instant, you'd still have to clean up the patch. Now, they're taking the initiative to go clean it up as best they can, which is a heck of a lot more than the average person lemme tell ya that much.

[–] aramis87@fedia.io 13 points 1 month ago

The majority of the great Pacific garbage patch material - over 75% of it - comes from fishing and aquaculture activities. I'm sure some of it is accidents or storm related, but I also have a strong suspicion that a good percentage of it is from China's ghost fishing fleets - the ones they deny exist, that over-fish and poach other countries' waters, and that cut loose their nets and pretend innocence it approached.

[–] sexual_tomato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Even if all pollution stopped today we still have to clean up the patch.

[–] ArcaneGadget@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Yes. That is why I said that I support them.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Who said it was a solution?

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[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago

It's important to celebrate the wins that we have in order to build some tailwind behind the general effort.

We should still recognize how far we have to go, of course, but celebration matters.

[–] Gumbyyy@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago
[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Yeah. All product packaging should be paper based.

[–] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Where do they say anything like that? I've been following them very closely for years and they've always been super transparent that there isn't one solution. They also do a lot of work to prevent trash from getting to the ocean in the first place.

[–] Ranger@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There are groups working to cleanup river plastic before it becomes ocean plastic.

[–] ArcaneGadget@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It shouldn't be river plastic either though. That's just pushing the problem back a step instead of solving it outright. It's a step in the right direction, but it shouldn't end up in the rivers either...

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[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

your reply is classic

miss the forest for the trees

[–] ArcaneGadget@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

How in the heck do you mean? I'm happy for the accomplishment. It's excellent work. I'm just angry that said work is necessary in the first place.

[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I would not have had the opinion that you are happy about the solution. Your reply is basically "not appreciate a larger situation, problem, etc., because one is considering only a few parts of it" (the origin). We cannot fix the reason the problem is there. IT IS. Fixing the problem is the only reality and now that is within reach. Complaining about the origin is missing the point.

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[–] Jesusaurus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

There are similar groups with near identical solutions for tackling "problem" River that are some of the worst offenders of plastic pollution.

Ultimately there is still a problem in the ocean, and to some extent, it is inevitable until we have a realistic solution for plastics.

[–] Ltcpanic@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

There will always be the lost who care not for fellow man. I can only hope those that do care, outnumber those who don't.

Be kind to one another

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[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 81 points 1 month ago (13 children)

Proving once again that every man-made problem on Earth can be solved through appropriate resource allocation, which is only hindered by those hoarding the wealth, and those in our governments whom they pay to protect their wealth from practical use.

[–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's not really a solution as it will be a perpetual requirement until we just stop putting out so much plastics

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

"Thus solving the problem forever."

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[–] Rediphile@lemmy.ca 28 points 1 month ago (4 children)
[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 39 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Dammit now I have this picture in my head of two cleanup teams sneaking trash back into the other's ocean.

[–] Comment105@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago

I don't know why you think the British would want to remove their own landmass?

[–] Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think their idea is to put it into new plastic products.

[–] Ranger@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

So it can go back into the ocean.

[–] Shou@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

So our planet will have a plastic cycle then? Sounds good enough for now.

[–] Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 month ago

Gotta stay in business somehow.

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago
[–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

Outside the environment.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Ranta@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Claims 5, but says 10, by 2034...

It's like the second line of the article

[–] YourPrivatHater@ani.social 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Thats sadly not even a first step, its basically a crawl.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

A crawl in the positive direction

[–] Homescool@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Unfortunately it is this attitude that is responsible for effectively zero actual motion. When we "look at the positive" in this situation, it does not help the situation, it hurts. "If I save a single Sea Turtle" by using an aluminum pipe for a straw. . . is my Mother's way of patting herself on the back, getting the microdose of dopamine, and moving on to solve the next crisis.

We did it for 40 years, walking an extra 10 yards to a recycle bin to toss that water bottle and feeling good because we didn't make the Indian (sic) guy cry . Yet, with all that time and technology, we haven't made more than a 9% dent in the bulk of "recyclables" (excluding metals $$). And we are actually losing ground.

Instead, we have green washing grifts, like this one, which may have once upon a time, actually tried to do something, but later realized they couldn't continue their effort without a corporate partnership. And somehow, rather than just failing and creating the vacuum, they linger, for a decade, clean up nothing, save for the staged Instagram vids that are WAAAAY more impressive than the actual footage of failure. Those vids are necessary to fund the important research, of course.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

Yeah the only way to achieve actual change is up to the government. Or maybe it big corporations want to help out, which seems like that will never happen.

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[–] JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 5 points 1 month ago

I wonder if they figured out how to remove the garbage without hurting the blue sea dragons that are living in there.

Obviously the garbage has to get out of the ocean, I just remember that the last I heard about it a few years ago they had to stop because they were accidentally hurting and killing the very wildlife they're trying to protect. It's a shitty catch 22 we've created, but I hope they succeed. That garbage has been there too fucking long.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

...prompting conservatives to send even more garbage. "Ain't nuthin in the bible about cleanin up no oceans, you marxist satanists! That garbage patch is part of our heritage!"

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