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For those baffled by Donald Trump’s forays into meandering discourses about electrocution, bacons sales or cannibal killers at his recent political rallies, the former US president had an explanation.

Trump assured supporters in Pennsylvania on Saturday that what might look like incoherent ramblings as he frequently departed from his scripted speech were instead indicators of his brilliance that impressed other great minds.

“I do the weave. You know what the weave is? I’ll talk about, like, nine different things that they all come back brilliantly together. And it’s like friends of mine that are like English professors, they say: ‘It’s the most brilliant thing I’ve ever seen,’” he told a bemused audience.

“But the fake news, you know what they say, ‘He rambled.’ It’s not rambling. What you do is you get off a subject to mention another little tidbit, then you get back on to the subject, and you go through this and you do it for two hours, and you don’t even mispronounce one word.”

But, increasingly, many others are not persuaded, including some of his own supporters.

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[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 114 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (8 children)

I love it. He thinks what he is doing is the same thing that John Oliver does masterfully on Last Week Tonight. What he’s actually doing I cannot for sure say, but I am fairly certain it involves extreme ADHD with maybe a side of schizophrenia and some sort of personality disorder. Oh and a large helping of rapidly worsening dementia.

[–] NegativeInf@lemmy.world 96 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I have ADHD. I've described my train of thought as less a single train on a single track, but each car on one of 8 tracks, some of which are multitrack drifting. But I don't sound like Trump. He sounds like he's lost his marbles and when he bends over to pick one up, dumps out the rest of the bag.

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago

I have adhd too, the multitrack drifting has a point! It's all leading to something specific. Trump? He never had a point.

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[–] protist@mander.xyz 29 points 2 months ago

Donald Trump definitely does not have schizophrenia. ADHD is a maybe, but Narcissistic Personality Disorder is a certainty.

[–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] cowfodder@lemmy.world 31 points 2 months ago

There have been rumors that he abuses amphetamines for decades.

[–] Regna@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The scary thing is that so many people jive with that weird insanitary mental disorder.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I feel like they just have convinced themselves somehow, or it’s Stockholm syndrome sort of.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

schizophrenia

I'm not a psychiatrist, but I talked with one about what looks like this AFAIK, if I understood correctly, he called it lose associations, associating things all over the place disregarding their lack of relevance.

Of course just exhibiting one symptom, doesn't mean he is schizophrenic.

I think Trump does show some ADHD like behavior too, again I'm not a professional, but I think the problem for people with ADHD is that they forget where they came from, and Trump does seem to be able to get back to that.

But for sure, this is not a normal way to present your views. Except for a small child maybe, which fits the toddler label often associated with Trumps behavior.

So my best guess is that Trump is mentally like a child for whatever reason (Dementia most likely). Obviously besides being a malignant narcissist and pathological liar.

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Of course just exhibiting one symptom, doesn't mean he is schizophrenic.

He is not. He is just a cunt, without any mental disorder apart from sociopathy and extreme narcissism.

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[–] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 12 points 2 months ago

This is absolutely not ADHD, this is his dementia and substance abuse. Having ADHD you may be distracted while trying to tell someone about something, but you'll be excited to talk about a special interest which may lead into another, but stuff will make sense and often more in depth than most care to hear.

Trump however has no interests beyond grifting and trying to sleep with Ivanka. However he word salads about a bunch of things he knows little to nothing about. He slurs words all over the place, stops mid-word and like brain skips for a sec, and then just goes into something unrelated. It's like his brain is constantly corrupting and causing a reboot.

[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@lemmy.today 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I think Trump does show some ADHD like behavior too, again I'm not a professional, but I think the problem for people with ADHD is that they forget where they came from, and Trump does seem to be able to get back to that.

Couldn't that just be because it typically has a teleprompter telling him what he's supposed to be talking about?

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Just bog-standard demented sociopathic malignant narcissism.

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[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 83 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

And it’s like friends of mine that are like English professors, they say: ‘It’s the most brilliant thing I’ve ever seen,’”

Meanwhile, back here in reality, one of his actual professors at Wharton repeatedly referred to Trump as the dumbest student he’d ever had:

according to attorney Frank DiPrima, who was close friends with professor William T. Kelley for 47 years, […] I remember the inflection of his voice when he said it: ‘Donald Trump was the dumbest goddamn student I ever had!’

e: source

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 45 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Also, it's weird for him to claim to be friends with the a bunch of the very same people Republicans decry as ivory tower liberal elitists. He's weird.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 months ago

He doesn't have a single friend

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Trump is delusional.

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[–] ech@lemm.ee 52 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Dude thinks he's John Mulaney, but he's actually just the senile uncle you try and avoid at family gatherings.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

There's a horse loose in the hospital!

[–] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I saw a bird in an airport.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Lol easy to miss throwaway line, nice

For the uninitiated:
https://youtu.be/JhkZMxgPxXU?si=AVQ0jGcZeEWQ4Gas

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[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 47 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I can't say I watch a lot of trump speaking (because I heard enough of that guy long ago). However, the few clips I've seen on trumps rambling feel like he's trying to gain resonance with his audience (and failing). You can see pieces of this that worked for him during the the 2016 run. He'd mention some side topic, pause and watch for audience reaction, and if they responded favorable, he'd double down with a followup remark on that same topic. It many times came off looked semi-planned that that was where he was going to take the speech anyway back then even if that wasn't the case.

These days it looks like he's fishing for an audience response, gets none, sometimes switches back to the original topic, doesn't get a response, fishing again, no response, fishing again, no response, repeat. Its like he blew threw his good material, and is grabbing desperately for something his audience will cheer for. Chasing a dopamine hit of people cheering for what he is saying...and not getting it. I think this is also why he'll occasionally bring up Obama or Hillary because those (in campaigns now long past) hit his crowd very well. Where now those old reference just confuse his audience because they're not relevant to any political discussions today, but trump isn't saying any of this for political effect, but just to hear a crowd cheer for him so that doesn't figure into his immediate thought process.

[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Trump is like Michael Scott at the shareholder meeting (on The Office US version). He loves applause so much that he goes dramatically off script and starts making wild promises that get the crowd into a frenzy. “Triple our profits! Carbon-neutral in a year!”

Trump does the same. He promises MORE healthcare for LESS taxes and the crowd loves it. He says he will win all the wars and do them QUICKLY. He gets into office and can’t deliver, so instead he lies about the “hundreds of miles of wall” he built when he didn’t, or pivots to those “evil democrats” stopping him.

[–] BetaBlake@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

It's SUPER obvious he does just start talking and hopes for the best.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 9 points 2 months ago

Yes, that's what I see, that's clearly what he's doing. The difference is that in 2016, he was able to retain in long-term memory what didn't work, and had the mental flexibility to try out new bits to find things that did. Now, he keeps going back to the same dry well over and over again, in every speech, which is evidence that he's losing it. (As further evidence, I'd point out that this is consistent with the amount of time it took him to grasp that he wasn't running against Biden anymore.)

[–] InternetUser2012@lemmy.today 40 points 2 months ago

“I do the weave. You know what the weave is? I’ll talk about, like, nine different things that they all come back brilliantly together. And it’s like friends of mine that are like English professors, they say: ‘It’s the most brilliant thing I’ve ever seen,’” he told a bemused audience.

Holy shit that's amazing. Can you imagine this being "your guy"? That's the guy you're selling your soul for. What a fucking clown. It's pathetic, I hope all his voters are ready for the eyeliner wearing couch fucker to take over after a few months. (if he wins).

VOTE!!!

[–] BehindTheBarrier@programming.dev 37 points 2 months ago

I still find it amazing people believe the same constant child like lying.

Everyone says... A close friend of mine said... A professor said... Everyone knows...

...That I have the bestest (health/speech/IQ/humbleness/big hands)

[–] RunningInRVA@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago

This is just the latest deflection from a man who knows he is entirely unfit for office. It’s pathetic that our politics has brought us to this place.

[–] rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 25 points 2 months ago

Oh Donny... it's not a weave, you got plugs. Years ago.

[–] InternetUser2012@lemmy.today 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Let me try this weave shit:

So I woke up, the sky is, opened my fridge, the best fridge, everybody, I got out bed, you know where you sleep, i have the best bed everyone knows that. Grabbed some blue sky with some clouds, big clouds because i got bacon, you know bacon, the best bacon like my pillow my pillow is great that cloud up there that bigly cloud that's because of windmills, you don't want windmills they're killing bacon and like i said you know bacon it's great i like it on my hamburgers you know hamburgers the best hamburgers have bacon but no windmills, it's not going to raid because that windmill and that cloud they don't mix they don't the windmill takes all the wind and that's why it's hot out but there's not global warming i use my blanket at night because it's soo cold because of the bacon or the windmills yeah the windmills are why it's cold they're bad Kamala likes windmills and let me tell you how bad they are, they're bad I know because I'm a very stable genius and the sky the sky it has another cloud you see that? do you do you see that? it's because of Joe Biden that's right it's Sleepy Joe's fault and let me tell you, Tesla and Elon great guy the best really smart guy not like Kamala no no not like her she wants to can you believe this can you? My bacon is getting cold it's the evil democrats fault....

Yeah wow, it's a lot harder than I thought, he must be some kind of genius.... OR the dementia is getting worse, much worse.

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

A dude I'd gone to school with tracked me down and started stalking me. The first time he showed up at my door he talked just like that. Seemed he's ended up on heavy drugs on the street and developed some severe psychosis.

Gotta say it was super weird reading that.

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[–] DJDarren@thelemmy.club 20 points 2 months ago (2 children)

See, I have ADHD so that’s kinda how I roll too. My mind goes off on tangents as I’m talking.

But crucially, I’m not trying to be the president of the USA.

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 months ago

I deal with that as well, which is one of the reasons why I would never run for any office.

Well that and I don't play well with others sometimes. I lack the patience and diplomacy one needs in politics.

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[–] thesohoriots@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

I’m an English professor. I’m willing to overlook a lot of stuff in student papers as long as I can follow it to the basic point they’re making. Donnie’s not even at a level that understands the assignment, and he’s refusing to ask for help. I can assure you he’s not Pynchon, either — he doesn’t want the publicity.

[–] capt_wolf@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

In psychological terms we call that tangentiality or a tangential affect. Where the subject starts on one topic, and then continually digresses to other loosely or unrelated topics. It's a marker for mental illness.

Or we could just call it what it is, pulling it out of your ass.

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[–] rsuri@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My explanation is:

  1. He gives a lot of speeches
  2. He has almost zero knowledge of government and policy. He likely thinks the US Treasury is responsible for protecting the treasure that's mapped on the declaration of independence.
  3. He can't read very well, and given his inability to sound the words out mid-speech he needs to fill in the parts of the teleprompter that has long words with whatever he can come up with on the spot.
[–] Fades@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

... seriously? That's all you got??

His father had dementia (thus genetically predisposed), he shows (and has shown for years) every single symptom of frontotemporal dementia.

...and your explanation is he gives speeched a lot and doesn't know big words? Are you trying to get a job with the media sane-washing his absurd bullshit?

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[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

“I do the weave. You know what the weave is? I’ll talk about, like, nine different things that they all come back brilliantly together. And it’s like friends of mine that are like English professors, they say: ‘It’s the most brilliant thing I’ve ever seen,’” he told a bemused audience.

This is what Kevin Smith did in his university Q&As fifteen years ago. He would tell an amazing and hilarious story that would loop back around ten minutes later to land on the originating topic in a brilliant manner. Trump, not so much.

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What he’s describing is at best a symptom of unmedicated/undermedicated adhd and also not what he does

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[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Sorry grandpa, inventing words to appear cool again is maximum weird.

[–] MouseKeyboard@ttrpg.network 11 points 2 months ago

For him to lose it he would have to have it in the first place.

[–] EpeeGnome@lemm.ee 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

No, don't you all see? He's actually so genius that we mere mortals can't comprehend his brilliance, as attested to by his multiple friends who are totally real English professors who exist and spend time with him, and are definitely not fictitious people he just made up on the spot to try to strengthen an obviously bullshit argument. Well, no, you wouldn't have heard them, because they, um, teach at a different school, but the important part is that they are intelligent enough to see the clever underlying structure of his wide ranging and definitely intellectually brilliant speeches, which the rest of us apparently aren't.

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[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Decided to find his speech on YouTube after seeing this. He was coherent for about the first 5 minutes until he started going off his prepared speech, and God did it get incoherent fast from there. I only watched about 10 minutes, couldn't handle anymore than that.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 months ago

If you'd only made it til the end you could've heard his BEAUTIFUL WEAVE, and you too could experience English professor tears of joy

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[–] bobburger@fedia.io 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I love that the highlight of "the weave" is that "you don't even mispronounce one word".

Stong Abe Simpson "Homer is not a communist" vibes.

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[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

He's talking about his hair again.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Hes lost it, even if he ever had it

[–] Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 months ago

The author gets to the crux near the end. Trump supporters don't come to speeches for policy, they come for performance art. That's what they expect from their leaders, because that's what they're trained to expect.

Between American entertainment trying to blur the lines between fantasy/ reality, and 24 hour news networks making everything a big deal the public at large has atrophied critical thinking skills.

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