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[–] 312@lemm.ee 38 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This is Musk’s “Reichstag Fire” moment for Twitter.

The rate limiting is not because of “extreme manipulation”, but because of piss-poor code that Twitter deployed as part of their change to only allow tweets to be viewed if logged in. Twitter is effectively DDoSing itself right now. But, it creates an opportunity for Musk to create a narrative.

These “temporary” limits will probably remain inevitably, as they provide another benefit to Twitter - they drive Blue subscriptions. Unfortunately, they also repel free users from using the platform entirely, and at a much higher ratio.

Twitter is going to become even more of a cesspool than it already is at an alarming rate. Crazy how many established social media platforms have decided to crumble at the exact same time.

[–] Korne127@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Oh my god, this is just too funny.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

"The DDOS is coming from INSIDE the HOUSE!"

[–] lunarmedic@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

My lord. And they can't/won't piece 1+1 together? Hanlon's razor dictates they are indeed idiots.

[–] zos_kia@lemmy.fmhy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

My guess is that they are severely understaffed. Happens when the new boss is a noob in the industry and fires the people he needs...

[–] 312@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

In order to quickly fix it they would probably have to roll back the change to require login to view tweets, which would be admitting that it wasn’t caused by “attacks” on Twitter, which Elon won’t do. Rock and a hard place.

[–] millionsofplayers@lemmy.one 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] lunarmedic@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Sorry! kept getting lemmy network error

[–] assassinatedbyCIA@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

The self-DDoS truly the height of idiocy. It’s been a good couple of weeks watching billionaires who have never faced consequences fuck around and find out.

[–] Seven@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Elon was right, firing off many engineers didn't cause any DDoS attack from outside- as DDoS attacks are now happening from within

[–] coldv@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I find it especially bizarre that spez took inspiration and guidance from Musk. I can entertain the possibility of Musk intentionally driving Twitter to the ground (though he sure is taking the scenic route), but Reddit? It just seems like the rich tech bros have collectively lost their minds

[–] Haha@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)
[–] tsz@reddthat.com 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes. While he loves to talk about how little reddit makes, he doesn't mention how much reddit pays him for that.

[–] JoeHill@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (5 children)

He’s rich not because of his salary (what Reddit pays him). He’s rich because of his equity/ownership in Reddit. But he can only monetize that if there are buyers.

For years this wasn’t a problem because private buyers and banks were happy to buy his shares or lend against them as collateral. However that market has been drying up over the past 18 months.

So he desperately needs to get to an IPO so he, and his Board of Directors and other stockholders, can dump their shares on an unsuspecting retail public market that doesn’t realize that the “profitability” was only achieved by destroying the user base, and that what they’ve actually bought is a ticking time bomb.

[–] jayandp@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I really hope the IPO bombs just to spite all the people, including Spez, that drove Reddit into the ground.

[–] MerliSYD@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The problem is that if the IPO bombs, it's the public investors that will lose money, as fuck u/spez and other shareholders will have dumped their steaming pile of shit shares onto the market from the start to reduce their shareholding and cash in.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

When people say that, they don't mean they hope it bombs after the IPO...

They mean they hope It bombs before the sale so Huffman and the others with a stake don't make much money

Anyone that buys the stock after the IPO would get a lower price.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 3 points 1 year ago

It would be the Institucional investors that have the opportunity to buy before the share is open in the market. After that is fair game to anyone stupid enough to buy it.

[–] atempuser23@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

It's not just spez , there are going to be a LOT of folks in reddit willing to burn it to the ground to create valuation for an IPO. The next Mod blackout need to happen the night before and the day of the IPO.

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[–] Hiccup@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

Already has more money than he should have.

[–] taco_ballerina@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Yes, and he would like to graduate into being obscenely rich through a successful IPO.

[–] Krazix@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Compared to musk? No. Not even close tongue same tier. But he's still a 1%er

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[–] notExactlyI20@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Yo for real, what's up with all these social media sites literally shooting themselves in the foot as we speak?.

Youtube planning to antagonize adblock users and limiting video watching, Reddit killing itself with ~~bureocracy~~ style and now Twitter doing this shit. Hopefully shit sites like TikTok or Facebook jump on the wagon too.

[–] ashok36@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

For reddit at least, The money from VCs dried up. They have to monetise fast or go broke.

Elon way way way overplayed for Twitter and the company is hemorrhaging money paying the loans he took out to pay for the purchase.

Google in general is in decline. Ad sales are down as the net becomes SEO'd to death. Marketing teams just aren't willing to pay for Google ads like they used to since the roi isn't there anymore.

[–] fidodo@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But there are so many ways Reddit could have played this better. It wasn't just about monetizing. The API changes were in bad faith and meant to kill 3rd party apps without flat out doing it. Users would have been understanding if they charged a reasonable amount of started injecting ads into the API feeds, but instead they went full aggro and disrespected not just the devs working to make their platform better, but the users as well. If they wanted 3rd party apps to show their ads or charge a fee to remove ads I would have been understanding, but because of the disrespect I've dropped them.

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[–] knightry@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In general, i agree with your post, but GOOG is up ~ 30% in the last 6 months. Specific parts of Google may be dwindling but their overall business is thriving right now.

[–] SJ_Zero@lemmy.fbxl.net 4 points 1 year ago

The stock is not the company, that's important to remember. The PE ratios for tech companies are totally out of whack compared to basically any other company.

Google stock is doing ok in part because they have Bard which means they're participating in the AI boom. I think that's going to turn out to be mostly hot air, but in the meantime it's helping a small number of companies stay afloat

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[–] Unaffiliated_User@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Twitter successfully sold itself to a private investment firm for over market value. That's the dream for tech startups and never-made-a-profit digital services.

Anyone still using Twitter is an addict or a boomer, but that's exactly the audience that Musk wanted to purchase.

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[–] ArgonautVehicle@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Elon Musk, the latest billionaire owner of the online screaming match known as Twitter, sat slumped at his desk, staring at a wall of monitors blinking with a technicolor smorgasbord of error messages. The reason? He'd just let Twitter's hosting contract with Google lapse because he thought it'd be fun to see if he could migrate it somewhere else. The results? Not so fun.

A comment on Reddit had caught his eye, and he couldn't shake it. "Every now and then Elon must have a moment of clarity. Where it occurs to him 'Maybe I am just stupid?' But then he violently buries the thought."

"Stupid?" he scoffed aloud to his empty office, sending a mini landslide of Mars Rover prototypes tumbling off his desk. "I'm a genius."

He remembered how smart he'd felt when he decided to axe the account verification system, only to reinstate it after a week of high-profile mix-ups that included the Dalai Lama being mistaken for a llama enthusiast.

And the content moderation! Who needs it? Well, as it turned out, everyone. Without it, Twitter had turned into a feral wilderness of conspiracy theories, insult slinging, and more unsolicited pictures of eggplants than a greengrocer's catalog.

And then there was Kanye. "Free Kanye!" he'd declared one afternoon after one too many rocket fuel coffees. But after the notorious rapper had declared war on flannel shirts and clogged up the site with CAPS LOCK tweets, the ban was back on faster than you can say "Kim Kardashian for president."

"Stupid?" he muttered again, watching as Twitter spontaneously DDOS'd itself like a robotic bull in a digital china shop.

There was a pause. Then a grin spread slowly across Elon's face, as if he'd just understood the punchline to a particularly tricky joke. "Naaaah," he laughed, slapping the desk.

He looked at the chaos on the screens, the digital calamity his decisions had wrought, and couldn't help but chuckle. There was something amusing about being this absurdly, cosmically, hilariously brilliant.

"Back to the drawing board," he chuckled, picking up a Mars Rover and making it do little jumps across his desk.

[–] x4740N@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Remember elon musk isn't smart

We shouldn't credit him for Tesla, spacex, etc because it's the employees that actually put in the effort and contribute

Elon is just a Mr moneybags that thinks he smart because the things he funded have been good ideas when he actually never contributed anything to those ideas

I can't wait until the companies he's finding push him out completely

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[–] jamesoh5@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

As a former individual who understands the underlying systems, it seems like they botched deployment of a new feature causing issues and cannot figure out how to solve them.

Most of Twitter is and has been in maintenance mode since acquisition (think of 10 man engineering team and 1 left to handle maintenance).

[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

This is why it cracks me up every time when someone is praising Elon for "cutting slack" when firing all those twitter employees. Yes, twitter did not implode immediately. Turns out, people can build software that is stable enough to run in maintenance mode. But good luck dealing with new issues cropping up.

I don't think I've ever met a former individual. What happened? Was it like a Frankenstein thing?

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[–] drpebcak@lemmyrs.org 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That rate limit is insanely low, even for verified. I’m not verified, but I hit the limit in like 10 minutes of very distracted usage.

[–] 73rdnemesio@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The hilarity is that these moves are the exact opposite of the so called Public Square he claims Twitter is or should be.

[–] reverie@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

It’s just like how they forcibly remove you from public squares after you’ve passively listened to people for 15 minutes

The quintessential public square experience

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[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Maybe I'm dumb, but this is starting to seem like these Tech CEOs are dumber than we thought.

Why not just make 4000 accounts and have distributed scraping? What are they going to do next? "Unverified Twitter accounts can only be accessed 10 times?"

[–] jadedwench@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Transcription for the blind: Screenshot of a Twitter post from Elon Musk, Twitter handle @elonmusk, that says:

To address extreme levels of data scraping & system manipulation, we've applied the following temporary limits:

  • Verified accounts are limited to reading 6000 posts/day
  • Unverified accounts to 600 posts/day
  • New unverified accounts to 300/day

1:01 PM Jul 1, 2023 3.6M Views

-Transcription from a human volunteer. Let me know how I can do better.

[–] PoppinKREAM@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thank you for the transcription, human volunteer :)

The sequence of events from Elon Musk acquiring Twitter to now is an incredible journey.

  • Elon Musk bought a social media company for tens of billions, attempted to back out of the deal but couldn't because of his ineptitude by signing away the ability to reneg on the deal.^[1]

  • Then there was the freedom of speech advocacy from Musk where he ultimately unbanned racists and then he began sharing bigoted Tweets. But it's only freedom of speech for his bigoted supporters, when authoritarian governments ask Musk to censor people/tweets he abides by their requests.^[2]

  • The site becomes inundated with the alt right rife with bigotry.^[3]

  • The whole verified blue check mark debacle where verification became something you could pay for, with people making fake "official" accounts. For example a fake account impersonating a pharmaceutical company caused their stock to drop abruptly following a joke tweet.^[4]

  • Twitter engages in mass layoffs and multiple things break on the site. There are also reports that they can't pay rent in certain locations. Twitter is hemorrhaging advertisors, as they record a 59% reduction in advertising revenue.^[5]

  • Elon Musk posts tweets seemingly apologizing for some of the changes and says he will follow the will of the people by posting polls for users to vote on policy changes. Musk asks if he should step down, to which the majority vote in favour of his removal. He then goes on a tirade about bots after losing in the poll. He goes on to say that only paid subscribers will be permited to vote in future polls. Vox Populi, Vox Dei.^[6]

  • The crème de la crème is Elon Musk implementing a new restriction where you have to be logged in to see tweets. Inadvertently DDOSing his own site.


  1. New York Times - Why Elon Musk Can’t Back Out of Buying Twitter, According to Twitter

  2. Forbes - Twitter Has Complied With Almost Every Government Request For Censorship Since Musk Took Over, Report Finds

  3. The Atlantic -Twitter Is a Far-Right Social Network

  4. Forbes - Fake Eli Lilly Twitter Account Claims Insulin Is Free, Stock Falls 4.37%

  5. New York Times - Twitter’s U.S. Ad Sales Plunge 59% as Woes Continue

  6. The Guardian - Elon Musk breaks silence after 10 million Twitter users vote for him to step down

[–] bappity@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

limiting engagement an app that RELIES ON ENGAGEMENT????? IT CAN'T POSSIBLY GET DUMBER THAN THIS???

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[–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago
[–] Mishmash@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So with Spez having a hard on for Elon and how he runs Twitter, how long until we see this on Reddit? Premium members can view 1000 posts/day and regular members can only view 100 posts/day. Similar rule will apply to comments too.

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[–] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My pet theory...... Though I don't believe it.

Musk and u/spez are playing 4-dimensional chess. The end goal is to increase freedom and user choice. By slowly destroying their respective platforms, people are driven to the fediverse, the idea of centralised platforms is tainted, power is shifted back to the user and long term everyone is better off.

It is a nice thought experiment.....

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[–] dustojnikhummer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Why are so many people suddenly against Twatter burning? I thought we all wanted that?

[–] pannacotta__@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Somehow I doubt it's even that. The guy's just a braindead, incompetent moron. I don't think the fucker's even smart enough to realize this is literally the worst possible decision he could've made.

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[–] Strangian@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Twitter and Reddit both dying at the same time was not what I expected in 2023

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[–] Yubishi@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

I'm quite shocked Elon would implement a policy that is counter to the purpose of twitter... As controversial as it is, doomscrolling is probably twitter's biggest busines

[–] samokosik@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 year ago

Social media aim to keep you attached for as long as you can. Twitter does the right opposite

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