Yeah, cool for you and a priceless reminder of a childhood vacation.

Just not something worth any money or even worth passing down thru the family.

If you ever watch Mitchell and Webb they have a bit where archeologists find a VHS cassette of a toga party and insist it’s an authentic recording from ancient Rome.

Yeah. It’s just random (relatively) modern piece of tubing that either fell off a boat or was tossed over board.

Cool memory for OP, and they picked up a piece of trash from the ocean.

No, because a Utopia is a Utopia for everyone or it’s not a Utopia.

That’s the argument for replacing them…

Not enabling them and giving them what they want.

Like, you’re literally arguing that we should negotiate with the people holding our country hostage

Right?

They want progressives to be both a small minority they can ignore, but also 17 million people?!

That would make them 20% of the party…

If 20% of your own party can out message your own campaign, then it’s a shit campaign. Even before factoring in the billion plus dollars you compromised the party platform to raise and the fact that the opponent is trump.

We can’t keep letting the DNC be the only other option. They’re clearly not capable of it.

DNC:

Have we considered just giving everything to the wealthy anyways?

We can’t fight this shit with ineffectual moderates like Joe Biden.

The whole nation rallied and got him in office and a 50/50 Senate along with the House…

He wasted that for 2 years, then got nothing else down the other 2 years because he lost the House.

America was sold Biden as a way to defeat trump, and it just resulted in a brief pause.

We need to let progressives run the party, they’re at least willing to fucking fight.

We just started skipping the step where we pick a candidate people want to vote for, and jump straight to fundraising and then never get around to focusing on using the money to get votes.

The modern DNC literally only cares about money and it keeps letting trump get elected

As good as it is to see a new IP…

A Battle Bugs remake with these graphics would be so much better.

Lol, you haven’t heard what the “victory fund” really is yet, have you?

The state parties have to toe the line, or they’re abandoned.

Terrible strategy if the plan is getting Dems in office, great move if you’re blocking any real progress in exchange for bribes donations.

I’ll never understand why trolls make a new account referencing the banned one, makes it easy to block at least

Shit. I was more worried in 2016.

He didn’t leave office peacefully, but he still left.

That’s how human brains work, we avoided the worst case scenario and life moved on. So we run into the same danger, but the response is lowered.

Which is why Dem turnout was so low this time

I’ve been saying this would happen for a long time, lots of people were.

The difference is the people running the DNC are just the people who can raise the most money. And the people with psychology degrees rarely have money as a priority.

We need to start having a party run by sociologists, psychologists, hell even go back to lawyers

The current strategy of 80s go-go Reaganites who only care about money ain’t working.

I believe he was complaining about college students who reject Greek life…

Why do they need a patent for this?

Because if they did it without one, anyone could do it.

If they get the patent, even if they don’t do it, anyone who does have to pay them.

How would this not conflict with just tv remotes?

Video games and TVs are different enough devices

That’s not what I’m seeing.

Obviously totals aren’t in yet, but looks like trump gained a million voters and Dems lost between 8-17 million

Which is what I’ve been saying for years. The danger isn’t cross over voters, very few people bounce between parties.

What matters is energizing your own base and getting them out to vote.

Dems keep pissing off their own base to court Republicans and it never fucking works

Because what people will do, is just not vote.

Which is what just happened. And at the end of the day the entire point of a campaign is to motivate voters, this is a failure of Kamala and her campaign.

But when Obama won the nomination the DNC didn’t support Obama in the general.

So Obama ignored the DNC for 8 years and let it fester until 2016 when Hillary’s primary campaign took control of it they shady backroom financial deals that resulted in her campaign getting approval over what the DNC did during the primary.

There was a brief window Donna Brazille got in leadership and showed everyone the receipts, then Hillary’s people got back in control and Biden kept them.

With Kamala losing the DNC votes for it’s own leadership, and will likely retain like they always do.

Obama has the chance to appoint progressive leadership to the DNC and fix the party, but instead he ignored it as a relic.

And we’re still paying the price.

I wonder why they are so afraid to prove it in a primary

Because challenging the party favorite is career suicide when the party is corrupt.

If Obama hadn’t won in 08 none of us would remember his name, and the party did nothing to help him because they knew if he won he could change leadership.

They got lucky and he choose not to fix the party

The issue is the same with trump.

A lot of stuff is dependent on people “doing the moral thing”.

The DNC is a private organization, and if they decide to keep making the terrible decisions they’ve been making, there’s not a lot we can do about it.

Their platform for a decade has been “what are you gonna do, vote trump?”

So I really really think that today being the day after the election is the day we start talking about a third option in 2028. There’s no reason to expect the same people who have been running the DNC to magically change this time or even just get out of the way for the best of the country.

We can’t just “find new leadership” because when a Republican wins, the DNC votes for its own leadership and almost always elects the same kind of people if not literally the exact same people.

I lived thru 9/11 and 2016.

For over 20 years everytime a republican became president I’ve been told we’ll never have another election.

Maybe this time the wolf is real, but it’s a basic part of human psychology that more and more people will stop having a fear response everytime they hear “wolf”.

If we really don’t have an election in 2028, we’ll have a civil war before 2032. Maybe what comes after will be better than what we have now.

It sucks to live in interesting times, but that’s what’s happening.

This is literally the day after the election, don’t fucking tell me it’s too late to plan how to fix shit for 2028

I’ll never understand why people think the people running the DNC aren’t total fucking liars that will say anything for money.

Beating trump isn’t hard.

But beating him while grifting a billion dollar campaign funded by the people your voting base hates is very difficult.

Unfortunately when confronted with the choice, the DNC has shown us three elections straight that they’ll always pick money over votes.

So we either need to leave the party or replace leadership.

If we don’t do either 2028 will be exactly the same as the last three elections.

Normalizing republican extremism is about the only thing modern neoliberalism has accomplished, and likely why the same billionaires donate to both.

They want the return of feudual society, they just know the only way they get it is if the only other option is a shit sandwich.