The US secretary of state insists Venezuelans' votes in the recent presidential election "must count".

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His intervention comes as the presidents of Brazil, Mexico and Colombia all called on Venezuela to release the full details of last Sunday’s election.

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It has also attracted global criticism, with many governments around the world demanding the Venezuelan government release proof of the result.

The result has been recognised by Venezuelan allies China, Russia and Iran.

But, the US, European Union and other G7 countries have called on Mr Maduro’s government to release detailed voting data.

  • wurzelgummidge@lemmy.worldEnglish
    3765·
    3 months ago

    Overwhelming evidence

    I wonder why he didn’t present any of it then. Looks pretty Donald Trump-like to me

    • Ranvier@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      735·
      3 months ago

      Evidence was literally uploaded by the opposition, and has been analyzed by multiple news organizations already who agree with their conclusions. Not to mention the exit polls and other available public evidence.

      https://ca.news.yahoo.com/masked-assailants-ransack-venezuela-opposition-134849213.html?guccounter=1

      Here’s another organization that independently gathered many of the polling receipts with similar results:

      https://supervisiondev2.metabaseapp.com/public/dashboard/6b2f7b3b-16ec-4af6-84c7-69c39ee2139d?tab=16-english

      The opposition leader is in hiding (who was barred by Maduro’s government for running, among many other tactics with government powers Maduro used to try to tilt the vote in his favor). Maduro has rounded up over 1000 members of the opposition already to try and prevent this data from being gathered and take more political prisoners. The Carter Center, who Maduro government themselves invited as a monitor, said that:

      “Venezuela’s electoral process did not meet international standards of electoral integrity at any of its stages and violated numerous provisions of its own national laws.”

      https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/01/americas/venezuela-election-opposition-machado-hiding-intl-latam/index.html

      The only one fighting transparency and trying to hide results here is Maduro. These tallies were all stored on qr codes. Maduro could have released them at anytime and chose not to. Could have instantly been released the night of the election, as they were coming in if he wanted. Can’t believe people on here are still falling for this dictator’s bald faced lies.

      • WanderingVentra@lemm.eeEnglish
        2046·
        3 months ago

        From what I heard, the government released them on a website but it got hacked and shut down. Now he released them to the Supreme Court and invited the opposition to look at them, but they didn’t show up.

        I don’t agree with them arresting opposing candidates and stuff like that, but I also don’t trust the US’s opinions on this matter. They’ve tried to coup Venezuela basically every year and every election lol. The opposition releasing their interpretation of data is like Trumps saying they should’ve won from their polling data in all the red states. Idk, it’s very easy to manipulate, especially with US help.

        • Ranvier@sopuli.xyzEnglish
          345·
          3 months ago

          The government did not release them, and you’ve provided no source for your claim. Also, showing up to a courthouse as they’re all rounded up and being thrown in a jail? Give me a break. Many countries are calling for the release of the results, including leftist governments like Colombia and Brazil.

            • Ranvier@sopuli.xyzEnglish
              214·
              3 months ago

              There’s nothing in the source you linked about Maduro releasing results online and some “hack” not allowing it. Maduro has not released any results.

              The source you linked does report all the things I’ve said in my comment again though.

              And it’s not just rhetoric, he is jailing his opposition.

              • WanderingVentra@lemm.eeEnglish
                26·
                3 months ago

                Sorry, I guess I was mistaken. Looks like the story is he tried to release them but got hacked. Thanks for catching that.

                Right, but because they’re protesting and rioting. Even the US has done that for less. And within the last couple months.

        • NOT_RICK@lemmy.worldEnglish
          242·
          3 months ago

          Their Supreme Court is very biased towards PSUV. Letting them weigh in is like letting a fox count how many eggs are in your henhouse.

    • kata1yst@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      464·
      3 months ago

      Because the official evidence is held by the incumbent government. The evidence we do have access to, from extensive exit polls by neutral auditors to the mandated voting station slips (small pieces of paper that each voter is issued giving them the electronic count so far at that station) both track a 60 - 70% lead for the opposition.

      In response, instead of releasing the official report, the incumbent government has brutally crushed several protests (even killing protestors), arrested the opposition, and claimed victory. Not exactly the pattern of behavior of an innocent victor.

      • BossDj@lemm.eeEnglish
        163·
        3 months ago

        Just to clarify, the evidence provided by opposition is not from exit polls. The evidence is genuine voting receipts from the machines that are supposed to be* guaranteed to each party’s site observers

        *Opposition says many of their observers were removed without being allowed access to their polling site receipts to explain why they didn’t have them all

        The electronic machines provide every voter a paper receipt that shows which candidate they chose. Voters are supposed to deposit their receipts at ballot boxes before exiting the polls.

        After polls close, each machine prints a tally sheet showing the candidates’ names and the votes each received. Party representatives stationed at polling sites throughout election day get a copy of the tally sheet, and electoral authorities keep another one.

        AP News

        • kata1yst@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          444·
          3 months ago

          So release the official counts and let people compare their voting slips? Don’t arrest your opposition?

          If it quacks like a dictatorship and stinks like a dictatorship…

            • nonailsleft@lemm.eeEnglish
              231·
              3 months ago

              Of course, there is only one available domain to do this, and that was hacked. There is no possible other way to get that data out but that one website. And it is, forever, hacked.

            • Valmond@lemmy.worldEnglish
              201·
              3 months ago

              Lol sure. No other website can hold the data either, it’s gone now, like in an internet tube, vanished I say.

              What an idiot lie.