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[–] L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works 163 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Linux keeps winning by doing nothing.

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 143 points 5 months ago (1 children)

New motto:

Linux: Still An Operating System, Not An Ad Platform

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

What's happening right now is potentially much, much worse than just being served ads.

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[–] Crismus@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago (15 children)

Yep, I will switch to Linux before I get another OS from Microsoft. Once 10 goes away, I jump onto a Linux distribution and use Proton.

I was hoping for a Steam Created distribution to come out, but I've been waiting for that for years. I'm just too lazy to switch over before I have to.

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[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 135 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Brazenly forcing anti-consumer features like this is an obvious sign of monopoly and abuse of their dominating position on the market. They should have been broken up a long time ago along with all the other big tech companies who have been pulling this sort of crap.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 42 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They were convicted of being a monopoly over 20 years ago.

[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 56 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I remember when it happened. Back then we were concerned about how Microsoft was pushing Internet Explorer as a browser on its platform. And then we just gave up on enforcing Antitrust laws let them do whatever they want along with the rest of big tech. Since then they've been doing so much worse than that.

You can blame lobbying for that.

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[–] vocornflakes@lemmy.world 102 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (14 children)

Don't connect to the internet.

Open a cmd window with F10 (maybe it's shift-F10?) and type the following:

OOBE\\BYPASSNRO

You can thank me later.

[–] Djtecha@lemm.ee 56 points 5 months ago (11 children)

Why... Why does anyone have to do this bullshit? Leave windows l, everyone for the love of everything good, leave windows!

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 45 points 5 months ago (38 children)

Lol, right. Linux ain't even close to replacing windows - just look at the gaming issues that persist, or other compatibility issues.

It's great for specific use-case scenarios, but I'm not dealing with supporting friends and family when stuff doesn't work because I told them to install a Linux distro.

Besides, business doesn't have this issue - it's only on home (not Pro) installs, because for business we do all sorts of system management that would preclude this, even is MS tried to push it.

This just reflects how MS sees home users - there's no profit there (never has been, it's always been about getting people used to Windows at home, to capture the audience).

No one in my family is allowed to use Windows Home versions. They either buy pro when they get a new computer, or I get it for them.

My standard response to "just go Linux" :

I keep having to say this, as much as I like Linux for certain things, as a desktop it's still no competition to Windows, even with this awful shit going on.

As some background - I had my first UNIX class in about 1990. I wrote my first Fortran program on a Sperry Rand Univac (punched cards) in about 1985. Cobol was immediately after Fortran (wish I'd stuck with Cobol).

I run a Mint laptop. Power management is a joke. Configured as best as possible, walked in the other day and it was dead - as in battery at zero, won't even boot. Windows would never do this, unless you went out of your way to config power management to kill the battery (even then, to really kill it you have to boot to BIOS and let it sit, Windows will not let a battery get to zero).

There no way even possible via the GUI to config power management for things like low/critical battery conditions /actions.

There are many reasons why Linux doesn't compete with Windows on the desktop - this is just one glaring one.

Now let's look at Office. Open an Excel spreadsheet with tables in any app other than excel. Tables are something that's just a given in excel, takes 10 seconds to setup, and you get automatic sorting and filtering, with near-zero effort. The devs of open office refuse to support tables, saying "you should manage data in a proper database app". No, I'm not setting up a DB in an open-source competitor to Access. That's just too much effort for simple sorting and filtering tasks, and isn't realistically shareable with other people. I do this several times a day in excel.

Now there's that print monitor that's on by default, and can only be shut up by using a command line. Wtf? In the 21st century?

Networking... Yea, samba works, but how do you clear creds you used one time to connect to a share, even though you didn't say "save creds"? Oh, yea, command line again or go download an app to clear them for for you. Smh.

Oh, you have a wireless Logitech mouse? Linux won't even recognize it. You have to search for a solution and go find a download that makes it work. My brand new wireless mouse works on any version of windows since 2000, at the least, and would probably work on Win95.

Someone else said it better than me:

Every time I've installed Linux as my main OS (many, many times since I was younger), it gets to an eventual point where every single thing I want to do requires googling around to figure out problems. While it's gotten much better, I always ended up reinstalling Windows or using my work Mac. Like one day I turn it on and the monitor doesn't look right. So I installed twenty things, run some arbitrary collection of commands, and it works.... only it doesn't save my preferences.

So then I need to dig into .bashrc or .bash_profile (is bashrc even running? Hey let me investigate that first for 45 minutes) and get the command to run automatically.. but that doesn't work, so now I can't boot.. so I have to research (on my phone now, since the machine deathscreens me once the OS tries to load) how to fix that... then I am writing config lines for my specific monitor so it can access the native resolution... wait, does the config delimit by spaces, or by tabs?? anyway, it's been four hours, it's 3:00am and I'm like Bryan Cranston in that clip from Malcolm in the Middle where he has a car engine up in the air all because he tried to change a lightbulb.

And then I get a new monitor, and it happens all damn over again. Oh shit, I got a new mouse too, and the drivers aren't supported - great! I finally made it to Friday night and now that I have 12 minutes away from my insane 16 month old, I can't wait to search for some drivers so I can get the cursor acceleration disabled. Or enabled. Or configured? What was I even trying to do again? What led me to this?

I just can't do it anymore. People who understand it more than I will downvote and call me an idiot, but you can all kiss my ass because I refuse to do the computing equivalent of building a radio out of coconuts on a deserted island of ancient Linux forum posts because I want to have Spotify open on startup EVERY time and not just one time. I have tried to get into Linux as a main dev environment since 1997 and I've loved/liked/loathed it, in that order, every single time.

I respect the shit out of the many people who are far, far smarter than me who a) built this stuff, and 2) spend their free time making Windows/Mac stuff work on a Linux environment, but the part of me who liked to experiment with Linux has been shot and killed and left to rot in a ditch along the interstate.

Now I love Linux for my services: Proxmox, UnRAID, TrueNAS, containers for Syncthing, PiHole, Owncloud/NextCloud, CasaOS/Yuno, etc, etc. I even run a few Windows VM's on Linux (Proxmox) because that's better than running Linux VM's of a Windows server.

Linux is brilliant for this stuff. Just not brilliant for a desktop, let alone in a business environment.

Linux doesn't even use a common shell (which is a good thing in it's own way), and that's a massive barrier for users.

If it were 40 years ago, maybe Linux would've had a chance to beat MS, even then it would've required settling on a single GUI (which is arguably half of why Windows became a standard, the other half being a common API), a common build (so the same tools/utilities are always available), and a commitment to put usability for the inexperienced user first.

These are what MS did in the 1980's to make Windows attractive to the 3 groups who contend with desktops: developers, business management, end users.

All this without considering the systems management requirements of even an SMB with perhaps a dozen users (let alone an enterprise with tens of thousands).

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[–] A7thStone@lemmy.world 35 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I thought we couldn't use Linux because people don't want to use a command prompt.

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[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 99 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Windows users should be outraged.

We're at a point where a company makes an operating system used by a majority of the population while they force you to use your personal online account to log in, and they record everything you do on screen and collect an obscene amount of other information about you.

Picture MS getting breached in a couple years. What would that look like for you, the individual? Do you really trust all these screenshots are also locally stored? I doubt it. If they are today, do you trust they always will be?

[–] voluble@lemmy.world 35 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Before this is all over, MS will be charging users to extract their snapshots from a proprietary cloud-only one drive account. The recovery process will take about 3 hours, and involve scrolling through ai-authored help articles that don't lay out clearly and methodically how to access the old snapshots. The comments on the help articles will begin with "Hello sir, can you confirm that you have followed the steps at this link?". The link, before delivering you to an irrelevant solution, will shunt you to a landing page that forces you to log into your microsoft account before you can see the answer.

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[–] ocassionallyaduck@lemmy.world 43 points 5 months ago

Congrats in building stalking software right into the OS.

A bunch of abusive relationships about to get a whole lot worse when the other party can track literally everything they do.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 43 points 5 months ago (6 children)

I got a message on my computer, Win10, saying my computer wasn't capable of being upgraded to Win11, but it would be protected by updates until October? 2025. Nice of them to give me a reminder to switch to Linux.

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[–] NatoBoram@lemm.ee 43 points 5 months ago (4 children)

For anyone who has to install Windows 11; download the full ISO then use Rufus. You'll be able to disable some of the enshittification.

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[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 40 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Fuck you, MS, for making people create an account to use something they paid for.

[–] blindbunny@lemmy.ml 22 points 5 months ago (1 children)

So stick it to them, stop giving them money and data.

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[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 36 points 5 months ago (3 children)

The enshitification intensifies; the rate appears to have become exponential. This one is a deal breaker for me. I want to buy or use an OS that is my OS. I do not want any login beyond what I deem necessary for security purposes. Everything you and the software that runs on your computer does is loggable at the OS level. I don't want an email address bound to all that. Fuck Microsoft.

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[–] ultratiem@lemmy.ca 30 points 5 months ago (5 children)

I can’t reveal too much but MS’s long game is to have everyone sign up for a Live account. They want to do what Apple did with Apple ID and iCloud, making every customer sign up for one. Expect more of this.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

And this sort of thing is the prelude to them finally pulling off their "OS as a service" scheme and I guarantee you in a couple of years they will try to float a monthly subscription just to use Windows, tied to your M$ account.

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[–] MeekerThanBeaker@lemmy.world 26 points 5 months ago (6 children)

This is just for Home edition, yeah? Pretty sure Professional still allows you to create offline accounts without a Microsoft account before joining a domain.

[–] Peffse@lemmy.world 29 points 5 months ago

Last time I tried it let me create a local account, then about a week later I got called because Windows threw a full-screen blocker on boot saying a Microsoft account was required to continue with "I'll do it later" being greyed out. Oddly enough, ALT+F4 worked to close it and continue.

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[–] obinice@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago (7 children)

Huh? What if you're installing windows on a machine with no internet connection? Which is an entirely normal legitimate thing to do. It's not a requirement after all.

I have a number of machines that use a local account, they don't need a Microsoft account and will never be linked to one, it's unnecessary.

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[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Time for Linux. I don't like to change, I've used windows from 3.1. But I see no other option. They will pull the plug on 10 while at the same time are trying their best to make their shitty 11 even worse.

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[–] bolexforsoup@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 5 months ago

Windows is malware Jfc

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 19 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Can you still skip connecting to internet?

[–] BunnyKnuckles@startrek.website 68 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Don't connect to internet, Shift f10 to bring up command prompt, oobe/bypassnro, wait for restart, click I don't have internet, make local account. Did it today.

[–] tomkatt@lemmy.world 64 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

The fact this is even necessary makes me want to shit a brick.

"Do you want to make an online account?" No. "Okay, please set up your local account."

That should be it. And honestly, even that's egregious to me. Signing into online bullshit should be opt-in, not opt-out. Thank goodness I don't use Windows anymore, finally wiped the last Windows machine in my house this past week.

[–] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 17 points 5 months ago

Microsoft's insidious insistence on online accounts is the main reason I stopped using Windows. Even with a local Windows account, one time I accidentally opened Edge, and it started automatically importing browser info from Firefox and then syncing it to the Microsoft account that I was using for MS Office. From my point of view, that was some extreme bullshit. Too much to tolerate. I didn't want Edge to import anything from anywhere - no matter how 'convenient and easy' it is. and I certainly didn't want it to upload anything - no matter what assurances of 'privacy and security' are claimed. And until that point, I thought accounts for individual apps could be keep isolated to just that app.

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[–] NoSuchAgency@reddthat.com 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Anonymousllama@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago

They're really trying their best to make windows as unfriendly as possible, pretty annoying when they've already been paid, bunch of pricks

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