Yes, tipping culture is out of control and needs to be abolished. But screwing over the wait staff or delivery driver currently providing you service will never have any impact on the big wigs that made the decision to play them less than minimum wage.
Why is this so difficult for people?
Pay reasonable tips for reasonable service people paid under minimum wage. Also work with your local politicians to eliminate tipping. Do not withold tips from people working under minimum wage unless you just want to be part of the boot stepping on them.
Because, for the people who refuse to “get it,” it isn’t actually about exploitation or whatever other lip service they give to make themselves seem magnanimous for not tipping, it’s about the fact that they don’t want to give the delivery driver a penny and have to lie to you and themselves so they think they’re good people. They’re not, though. If they were they’d see it like you do, they’re just selfish and deep down they know it so they concoct their lies to defer blame from their conscience.
Nah, it’s because we don’t keep putting forth a Strawman argument. Tipped jobs are ALLOWED to pay their workers less than minimum wage IF AND ONLY IF their tips do not make up the difference. If they do not, the employer must cover it.
It is literally subsidizing the wages that otherwise the business would legally have to pay. So how do you fight back? You don’t tip and employees need to properly report their tips. The system already has the mechanism in place to fix this.
But you say this and all the people who make WAY MORE than minimum wage with their tips get up in arms because you’re daring to take away their advantage. It’s being exploited by both sides. It’s not about fair treatment for everyone, it’s about “getting mine at someone else’s expense”.
Yes and you not tipping makes a difference how exactly? By making sure the exploitative business gets enough money to keep exploiting their workers for $7.25 instead of $2.13? You’re doing great sweaty, keep it up. Don’t bother boycotting businesses as that would inconvenience you, better to help exploit the worker and then get mad at them about it, that’ll help!
Of course, that assumes lack of regulatory capture, a regulatory agency interested in effective enforcement, enough funding to do that enforcement, and effective protections for whistleblowing when employers threaten to fire employees who don’t report high enough tips even when they don’t receive them.
The US don’t have more than one of these (I don’t know the situation on regulatory capture, so I’m giving benefit of the doubt there).
I always saw tipping mostly as a way to avoid dealing with change, so now that I pay with card almost everywhere and change is no longer relevant, I like to round it up to neat numbers like 333 or 456 to make it tiny bit easier to enter on the terminal.
For me it’s do the 10% quick math then double. I never tip less than 20% even if someone is not great just because people have shit days in customer service (my field). If they’re great I go up from there and leave a nice message of appreciation. They never hear praise enough.
Plus if you end up going back they won’t forget stellar tips and you will get priority/better seating/treated more like a friend which is always nice. Ex. For work we frequent a great local BBQ place that also serves a rotating selection of local brews. One waitress is amazing and always treats us well. Can’t say the good tips we leave are the reason but I’m sure it doesn’t hurt.
$29.75
10% - Move the decimal. $2.975
Round up - $3.00
Half that for 5% - $1.50
15% - $4.50
Double for 20% - $6.00
Or get rid of tipping.
That’s a completely separate situation.
Yes, tipping culture is out of control and needs to be abolished. But screwing over the wait staff or delivery driver currently providing you service will never have any impact on the big wigs that made the decision to play them less than minimum wage.
Why is this so difficult for people?
Pay reasonable tips for reasonable service people paid under minimum wage. Also work with your local politicians to eliminate tipping. Do not withold tips from people working under minimum wage unless you just want to be part of the boot stepping on them.
Because, for the people who refuse to “get it,” it isn’t actually about exploitation or whatever other lip service they give to make themselves seem magnanimous for not tipping, it’s about the fact that they don’t want to give the delivery driver a penny and have to lie to you and themselves so they think they’re good people. They’re not, though. If they were they’d see it like you do, they’re just selfish and deep down they know it so they concoct their lies to defer blame from their conscience.
Or perhaps I avoid services that expect tips.
No, if you do that you get it.
“Don’t give the place your money” is good,
“give the place the money but not the staff member” is bad.
If you avoid those places what I said doesn’t apply to you, you’re already doing the thing I said is better.
Nah, it’s because we don’t keep putting forth a Strawman argument. Tipped jobs are ALLOWED to pay their workers less than minimum wage IF AND ONLY IF their tips do not make up the difference. If they do not, the employer must cover it.
It is literally subsidizing the wages that otherwise the business would legally have to pay. So how do you fight back? You don’t tip and employees need to properly report their tips. The system already has the mechanism in place to fix this.
But you say this and all the people who make WAY MORE than minimum wage with their tips get up in arms because you’re daring to take away their advantage. It’s being exploited by both sides. It’s not about fair treatment for everyone, it’s about “getting mine at someone else’s expense”.
Yes and you not tipping makes a difference how exactly? By making sure the exploitative business gets enough money to keep exploiting their workers for $7.25 instead of $2.13? You’re doing great sweaty, keep it up. Don’t bother boycotting businesses as that would inconvenience you, better to help exploit the worker and then get mad at them about it, that’ll help!
Fuck outta here with your high horse.
Of course, that assumes lack of regulatory capture, a regulatory agency interested in effective enforcement, enough funding to do that enforcement, and effective protections for whistleblowing when employers threaten to fire employees who don’t report high enough tips even when they don’t receive them.
The US don’t have more than one of these (I don’t know the situation on regulatory capture, so I’m giving benefit of the doubt there).
service was OK - round up to 30€
service was good - give 2€ extra
service was exceptional - give 5€ extra
(doesn’t scale with the price of the food)
Pay exactly €29,75 and guard the receipt with your life, or you’re in trouble.
I always saw tipping mostly as a way to avoid dealing with change, so now that I pay with card almost everywhere and change is no longer relevant, I like to round it up to neat numbers like 333 or 456 to make it tiny bit easier to enter on the terminal.
For me it’s do the 10% quick math then double. I never tip less than 20% even if someone is not great just because people have shit days in customer service (my field). If they’re great I go up from there and leave a nice message of appreciation. They never hear praise enough.
Plus if you end up going back they won’t forget stellar tips and you will get priority/better seating/treated more like a friend which is always nice. Ex. For work we frequent a great local BBQ place that also serves a rotating selection of local brews. One waitress is amazing and always treats us well. Can’t say the good tips we leave are the reason but I’m sure it doesn’t hurt.