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Immich x FUTO Q&A (www.youtube.com)

submitted 6 months ago by helenslunch@feddit.nl to c/selfhosted@lemmy.world

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Short version of this interview is that nothing is changing, other than they're going to be asking a flat fee "$5-20" for the app, rather than relying on donations. All donation platforms have been closed. However, if you choose not to, as Louis says "that's between you and your God".

Project will remain AGPL and thus can be forked at any time. FUTO maintains the trademark of Immich name and logos.

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[–] clmbmb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 6 months ago (2 children)

FUTO in Romanian sounds a lot like "fuck her"...

[–] entropicshart@sh.itjust.works 21 points 6 months ago (3 children)

And a letter away from Futa, which has a whole other world of a meaning…

[–] Cyber@feddit.uk 22 points 6 months ago (1 children)

... searches for "Futa" on company laptop...

[–] kaboom36@ani.social 17 points 6 months ago

Ah yes, the Federal Unemployment Tax Act

[–] governorkeagan@lemdro.id 4 points 6 months ago

Curiosity got the better of me, so I searched what it means. I did come across another interesting phrase....

Futa-te cangurii

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 25 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Weird feeling about this. $5-$20 flat fee sounds like a lower price than what I'd imagine donations would bring. I imagine most who would donate would give at least $5-20, and then some would subscribe monthly. The dev team is obviously gonna get funding from Eron for now which would likely be higher today than what they get in donations.

[–] jvh@feddit.uk 23 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I'm currently in the process of moving my family off of Google photos to Immich. Both my partner and I pay Google at the moment because we have to due to amount of photos. And that's only going to increase.

Immich is great but there are also a lot of bugs. The shared albums that my wider family use for example is very buggy. So paying an amount that I might have paid Google for those bugs to be fixed while self hosting I would be very happy with I think.

However, I was thinking of attacking those bugs myself and contributing bug fixes to the project. But what happens now that it's a commercial product essentially? Will they still accept code from pull requests from outside their organisation? Will any devs who spend a lot of time contributing get anything for their work? E.g. if I was providing time and code for a product then had to pay to use it that might seem a bit mean.

[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

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[–] jvh@feddit.uk 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Will they still accept code from pull requests from outside their organisation?

That’s answered in the video. Nothing is changing. Yes, they still accept contributions.

OK cool, I missed that bit. I've found it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwz2iZwYpgg&t=1960s

Will any devs who spend a lot of time contributing get anything for their work? E.g. if I was providing time and code for a product then had to pay to use it that might seem a bit mean.

That’s the way it’s worked since day 1.

It wasn't a commercially backed product since day 1. This is more of a general question I guess.. how does this work for open source projects like Immich when it's commercially backed where there are some developers paid to work on it, but other developers contributing of their own accord. Would they receive some sort of benefit for having worked on it. E.g. not have to pay for using the product they've worked on perhaps if they meet a threshold of having contributed enough to it? I just wonder how that tends to work for open source projects which are also commercial in nature.

[–] myliltoehurts@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I have never seen contributors get anything for open source contributions.

In larger, more established projects, they explicitly make you sign an agreement that your contributions are theirs for free (in the form of a github bot that tells you this when you open a PR). Sometimes you get as much as being mentioned in a readme or changelog, but that's pretty much it.

I'm sure there may be some examples of the opposite, I just.. Wouldn't hold my breath for it in general.

[–] jvh@feddit.uk 4 points 6 months ago

Thanks, was just curious as to what tends to happen.

[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 18 points 6 months ago (2 children)

What is Futo? Their website says absolutely nothing besides their "company values."

What is their business model?

Who is running it?

How do they earn money to give out?

What do they ask in return besides hoarding the trademarks?

Flat fee is always good, but I am always skeptical about these sort of completely opaque, altruistic companies that often turn into not-so-altruistic companies after they see more profit capabilities.

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 8 points 6 months ago

What is their business model?

Selling free software without enforcing it.

How do they earn money to give out?

See above.

What do they ask in return besides hoarding the trademarks?

Cash.

[–] Corgana@startrek.website 6 points 6 months ago

Uhh... why did you just paste the comments from the video without the answers?

[–] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

Seems pretty reasonable. At the end of the day people have to eat, so projects like this either trundle on as hobby-and-spare-time projects for a few years until people get bored and burnt out, or you find a way to make working on the project a paid gig for the core people

[–] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Flat fee is good. If its subscription I am hoping for forks.

Edit: also, I don't care what they say they plan to do. In the end actions matter. They can say now its just a small flat fee but 6 months in they can change their mind and make the crappiest micro transaction model they can think of.

[–] ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

From their website: https://futo.org/what-is-futo/

What is FUTO? FUTO is an organization dedicated to developing, both through in-house engineering and investment, technologies that frustrate centralization and industry consolidation.

Ok... So what does that mean?

Through a combination of in-house engineering projects, targeted investments, generous grants, and multi-media public education efforts, we will free technology from the control of the few and recreate the spirit of freedom, innovation, and self-reliance that underpinned the American tech industry only a few decades ago.

FUTO is not reliant on any existing tech company or venture capital firm for its funding. We are not expecting quick profits. We will never cash out with a sale to a megacorporation the moment our technology begins to catch on. We will focus entirely on the mission.

If you share these goals, either as a user or a developer, we ask you to watch this space and get ready to throw off the stultifying limitations of the current state of affairs. We want to return to an era where a substantial portion of computer users can understand, control, and use their technology as they see fit without the approval or input of oligarchs. And we need your help.

Ok so... What does that mean?

Maybe the OP's video explains these things (I hate watching videos for things like this), but I really thought I'd be able to find an explanation, in practical terms, of what this organization actually does on their own website.

[–] Sunny@slrpnk.net 8 points 6 months ago

Am happy to see good backing to Immich!

[–] Sunny@slrpnk.net 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Isn't this the company of Louis Rossman?

[–] h3ndrik@feddit.de 6 points 6 months ago

Most important thing with FUTO is, they learn how to do open source and engage with a community. Maybe it helps if they adopt a few projects with existing communities and which are more than source available.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Futo = fucked up to oblivion?

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