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[–] GardenVarietyAnxiety@lemmy.world 259 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This is what we get for conflating a persons talent and ability with their net worth

[–] Clent@lemmy.world 131 points 6 months ago (7 children)

His only talent is convincing the wealthy to invest in his schemes. I don't understand how he does it, hearing him speak is painful.

He got lucky with Tesla becoming a meme stock.

SpaceX is being run by a competent engineer while its competitor, Blue Origin is being run by a megalomaniac. This is possibly Musks only competent move in business.

The rest of his ventures have been failures. To any one not blinded by greed, it's clear he long ago peaked. He's playing a shell game now but people will happily invest hoping luck will strike again.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 81 points 6 months ago

There's an old tweet that explains it well, I'm sure you've seen it.

(Paraphrased) "Elon Musk talked about cars. I don't know anything about cars so when people said he was a genius, I figured he must be a genius"

Investors don't know shit about the stuff they're investing in and Musk sounds really smart when you don't know anything about the thing he's speaking on.

[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 79 points 6 months ago (1 children)

For Tesla and SpaceX, they attracted the top engineers because they were cool bleeding edge problems to solve that actually aligned with idealist goals in the industries.

Musk used that genuine motivation and overworked people into burnout, and took credit for others hard work.

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[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 43 points 6 months ago (1 children)

His only talent is convincing the wealthy to invest in his schemes. I don't understand how he does it, hearing him speak is painful.

That's not fair, he's also really good at making promises to the public to secure incentives and public funding and then fucking everyone over

[–] Clent@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

The real trick there is how he didn't get sued.

The SEC has held him more accountable than the share holders

[–] spacesatan@lemm.ee 17 points 6 months ago (2 children)

To his credit SpaceX was at least a correct recognition that the dominant space launch companies were just a cartel milking federal funding for as much as possible. That sector is so stagnant that ULA still hasn't blinked at the massive success of first stage reusability.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago (2 children)

When you're a government agency, you have to play things super safe. When you're an independent company, you can do whatever you want. And if you fail, no one cares. If the government agency fails, it's hell to pay.

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[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Man, I wish I was a deluded narcissist. Life sounds pretty good for them.

[–] chris@l.roofo.cc 33 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Only if you have enough starting capital to skirt through life without a worry.

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 22 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Right right. OK let me amend: I wish I was a deluded narcissist born with a silver spoon in my mouth.

[–] 5too@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I'd be happy with just the silver spoon, myself.

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[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 112 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)
[–] ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.ml 27 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Yeah that's what I was thinking, never heard it called pigeon management before

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 39 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Maybe they mean pigeon to make it sound like he isn't able to be a seagull manager. Like he's trying to be a seagull manager, but only managed pigeon manager. A quiet insult.

[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Maybe all Tesla managers are as dumb as Musk himself and they did mean Pigeon but in an unironic way.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Seems more like he's combining it with a quote:

"Arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, the bird is going to shit on the board and strut around like it won anyways."

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[–] Cheems@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

It's not pigeon management unless it's from the city region of new york

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[–] gasgiant@lemmy.ml 95 points 6 months ago (13 children)

Anyone remember when he spent all his time talking about colonising mars? That was his big thing and the future. Whatever happened to that?

Then spacex got government funding. Now AI is the big thing.

I've still yet to see any of his great visions he's actually delivered on.

[–] bitwaba@lemmy.world 73 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Whatever happened to that?

He took all the money he was going to use to do that, put it in a duffelbag with X written on the side, and burned it.

[–] AdamEatsAss@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Isn't something like that why Elon got in trouble with the Tesla board? Something about using Tesla as a bank to fund space x.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 8 points 6 months ago

Space X which he owns a controlling stake in, unlike Tesla.

[–] nytrixus@lemmy.world 31 points 6 months ago

He's one of those people who'll pop around a corner and proclaim his credit of something he had next to no involvement in.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Notice he has never actually volunteered to go up in a SpaceX rocket. I don't think he'll be going to Mars.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 11 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Tis a shame, Musk would be perfect to colonize Mars. Send him there. But forget to send women.

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[–] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 78 points 6 months ago (5 children)

I don't think pigeons deserve that sort of badmouthing.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 73 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I'm picturing him walking into Tesla's offices, going over to the engineers, saying, "make the horn make a fart noise," and leaving, thinking he's brilliant.

[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 15 points 6 months ago

"The bear is sticky with honey"

My God he's brilliant....

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[–] WaxiestSteam69@lemmy.world 53 points 6 months ago (5 children)

I've never heard of pigeon management but I have heard something similar described as playing chess with a pigeon as someone who "knocks all the pieces over, shits on the board then struts aroind like they've won".

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[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 49 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That’s an insult to pigeons.

[–] sramder@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Somewhat ironic that the original joke was about seagull managers.

[–] msmc101@lemmy.blahaj.zone 48 points 6 months ago
[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 38 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Can't we all agree to just ignore him? Like stop posting about him and quit Twitter? He thrives off negative attention.

[–] lemmyreader@lemmy.ml 22 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (7 children)

Problem is that lots of people do not leave Tw(X)tter and are not intending to do so :( And some are on Mastodon sort of pretending to have left the Pigeon sh*t CEO product, but still posting mostly screenshots from the old site. Good thing is that some are pretty clear about having left and encouraging others to follow like here : https://mastodon.social/@dangillmor ->

Journalists, please leave Twitter and join the fediverse. ~~Here's how to get started:~~

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[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 27 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Soooo... just a bog-standard CEO, then.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago (2 children)

As much as I hate them, I would wager that the majority of CEOs are more educated, smarter and have a better understanding of their business than Elon "Failed Upward" Musk.

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[–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 25 points 6 months ago (2 children)

There's a picture this makes me think of where a bunch of birds are sitting on a tree in typical pyramid hierarchy diagram positions, and each level of birds starting from the second is covered in more shit than the previous.

[–] Buttons@programming.dev 12 points 6 months ago

The true trickle down

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[–] Zealousideal_Fox900@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago (1 children)

As a pigeon enjoyer, offence taken.

[–] asret@lemmy.zip 19 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I've always heard them described as seagull managers. Screams loudly, shits everywhere, leaves.

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[–] Veedem@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago

We called this the “swoop and poop” in a previous job of mine. Definitely not something encouraged or enjoyed.

[–] BeigeForce@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The ol’ Swoop-n-Poop as an ex (awesome) boss used to call it.

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[–] Tebbie@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago

I've been under leaders like this. Definitely not the best ones.

[–] Shou@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

They do say owners pick pets most similar to them.

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