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On a huge election year for the world, Meta will shut down CrowdTangle, it's tool for election integrity observers without replacement (foundation.mozilla.org)

submitted 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) by kalistia@sh.itjust.works to c/technology@lemmy.world

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This is quite concerning

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[–] kae@lemmy.ca 135 points 7 months ago (22 children)

This a huge step back for transparency with Meta (shocker). Access to this data is important for a variety of reasons, and using the recent EU laws as an excuse is deplorable (again, shocker from Meta).

It's clear the data companies were left alone for too long to rule the schoolyard. It's going to take some time to treat them and others what decorum looks like without throwing an absolute hissy fit.

Here's hoping the EU, which seems to be the only teacher on the playground willing to discipline anyone, will set them straight.

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[–] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 78 points 7 months ago (10 children)

We should teach critical thinking and logic skill from month one. There will be so much propaganda and misinformation from this point on, being able to spot it, most of the time with common sense, would nip most of this crap in the butt.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 46 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

In before 5 yo

Mommy, "because I say so" is an appeal to authority, I will not abide by such logical fallacy. Please provide me with a systematic review of relevant double blind studies to convince me that I should eat my greens."

[–] Usernameblankface@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I try to use "because I said so" as little as possible. It's a lot more work, but they know why they're doing most of what they need to do, and they know why they're avoiding what they should not do.

Edit: I've noticed that making an effort to avoid "because I said so" has built up a habit of thinking about why I'm telling them to do something before I say it out loud. Often times, this changes what I'm about to tell them to do.

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[–] Gabu@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

That would be the ideal world. There is plentiful research to show that eating vegetables is good for you. If you can't figure that little out, why are you a parent?

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[–] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago

Come on, you know those who have the influence over this don't want it. Remember: Donald Trump loves the uneducated 👍

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I think the issue is more that people like propaganda and misinformation as long as they agree with it.

There just seems to be something about seeing your own opinions coming out of a man in a tie or printed in a large serif font that gives people the same feeling as a cat having its neck scratched.

And of course, once you hear one of your opinions come out of them, it's easier to agree with the other ones as well.

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[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

And still it would not be enough. You need to trust some core institutions and delegate on some people who know more than you, you can't be an expert on everything. Even smart people can be deeply wrong if they trust the wrong people or if they think their expertise makes them an expert on everything. You also need a little intellectual humility.

[–] 5C5C5C@programming.dev 8 points 7 months ago

This is why the position I take is that when there is any room for doubt, lean into whichever belief would lead to the most compassionate outcome.

There will always be uncertainty, always facts that you can't know, but the compassionate choice is pretty much never wrong, at worst it might be inefficient, but that's okay. Anyone who's trying to convince you that something that harms or dehumanizes anyone is necessary probably has an ulterior motive and is profiting somehow off of the harm and dehumanization.

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[–] dust_accelerator@discuss.tchncs.de 60 points 7 months ago (1 children)

We should outlaw political advertisement on social media? Kind of like how cigarette advertisement was eliminated from movie theater ads.

The fines should be stacked as factors - unmitigated offenses will build up and incur exponentially growing fines. Very large incentive to shut that shit down.

Politics should be advertised by performance review, not marketing.

[–] forgotmylastusername@lemmy.ml 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

No politics was a rule on many forums. One of the things social media did away with.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 59 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Sounds like Zuck is hoping for a one-party Fascist autocracy in the US.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 49 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It would benefit a social cause that is near and dear to his heart: making Mark Zuckerberg extremely wealthy

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I think he thinks he is building The Matrix, and will get godmode.

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

"We will give you tax breaks, you'll help us build out theocratic fascism!"

(If anyone asks: Facebook already got caught spying on abortion providers in red states, expect even worse once Project 2025 is enacted.)

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 50 points 7 months ago (4 children)

yet another year goes by where tech companies seem to be influencing the state.

What a fascinating time to live in.

[–] Keineanung@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Fascist-inating indeed.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

Fascist-enabling eh?

[–] billwashere@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Of course they are. There’s money involved.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

weird how money seems to play a role in something thats supposed to be controlled by the people

[–] Bitflip@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Since corporations are people now, it is.

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[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

To be fair, corporations have always influenced the government. For better, or for worse.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

still trying to figure out why. Seems like the counter intuitive thing to happen. But what do i fucking, i'm just a citizen of the US, the US government is responsible to me, it's not like i have a say in this or anything.

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[–] dutchkimble@lemy.lol 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

We're heading towards cyberpunk

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[–] Syn_Attck@lemmy.today 39 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (7 children)

My hope is that the FBI asked them to shut this down on NSA's behalf, so threat actors feel more comfortable as they aren't being watched, studied, and analyzed by every OSINT collective in existence.

My fear is that they know what happened the previous 2 elections and this year will be the worst yet, and they don't want their users knowing how badly they got duped and feeling bad/dumb enough to leave the platform. Also advertising $$.

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[–] skittle07crusher@sh.itjust.works 36 points 7 months ago (7 children)

I kind of can’t stand Biden, in spite of the many surprisingly good things he’s done in the last few years.

But god damn if this isn’t the kind of action from Meta that can only help Trump.

I am sorry to feel that this decision from Meta has much more to do with certain ongoing wars and preferred candidates than any “EU legislation.”

Meta wants Trump. Meta wants fascism.

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[–] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 35 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Meta

integrity

lmao

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 15 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I work in integrity at Meta. It's mostly about staying legally compliant with the countries we make $ in. You have to keep in mind we have like 4 billion users, and own 5 out of the top 10 most used apps (hello antitrust?), so it's a pretty big deal here.

[–] AMDIsOurLord@lemmy.ml 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You actually work at Meta no cap?

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

no cap fr fr 🥦

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Tell us more stories. I have former relationships with your trust and safety folks among others. Never heard from integrity

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Telegram, WhatsApp, and iMessage are all e2e encrypted but backups aren't. That's how your messages get read.

Messenger is actually the most secure platform out of the 4 because there's no unencrypted cloud backups. However, there's discussion on rolling back the encryption on Messenger because it's too good and causing UX pains.

[–] Yoz@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago

I like it how people use meta and then also hate and complain about it. Let's gooooo!

[–] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago

its* tool for election integrity.

[–] anon987@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I wonder if Zuckerberg knows that his bunker won't save him?

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

A practical demonstration may be necessary

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago

he knows where his bread is buttered

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