A judge in Washington state has blocked video evidence that’s been “AI-enhanced” from being submitted in a triple murder trial. And that’s a good thing, given the fact that too many people seem to think applying an AI filter can give them access to secret visual data.

  • Downcount@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    59
    ·
    9 months ago

    If you ever encountered an AI hallucinating stuff that just does not exist at all you know how bad the idea of AI enhanced evidence actually is.

    • Bobby Turkalino@lemmy.yachts
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      arrow-down
      4
      ·
      9 months ago

      Everyone uses the word “hallucinate” when describing visual AI because it’s normie-friendly and cool sounding, but the results are a product of math. Very complex math, yes, but computers aren’t taking drugs and randomly pooping out images because computers can’t do anything truly random.

      You know what else uses math? Basically every image modification algorithm, including resizing. I wonder how this judge would feel about viewing a 720p video on a 4k courtroom TV because “hallucination” takes place in that case too.

      • Downcount@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        9 months ago

        There is a huge difference between interpolating pixels and inserting whole objects into pictures.

        • Bobby Turkalino@lemmy.yachts
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          0
          arrow-down
          3
          ·
          9 months ago

          Both insert pixels that didn’t exist before, so where do we draw the line of how much of that is acceptable?

          • Downcount@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            edit-2
            9 months ago

            Look it this way: If you have an unreadable licence plate because of low resolution, interpolating won’t make it readable (as long as we didn’t switch to a CSI universe). An AI, on the other hand, could just “invent” (I know, I know, normy speak in your eyes) a readable one.

            You will draw yourself the line when you get your first ticket for speeding, when it wasn’t your car.

            • Bobby Turkalino@lemmy.yachts
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              0
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              9 months ago

              Interesting example, because tickets issued by automated cameras aren’t enforced in most places in the US. You can safely ignore those tickets and the police won’t do anything about it because they know how faulty these systems are and most of the cameras are owned by private companies anyway.

              “Readable” is a subjective matter of interpretation, so again, I’m confused on how exactly you’re distinguishing good & pure fictional pixels from bad & evil fictional pixels

              • Downcount@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                9 months ago

                Being tickets enforced or not doesn’t change my argumentation nor invalidates it.

                You are acting stubborn and childish. Everything there was to say has been said. If you still think you are right, do it, as you are not able or willing to understand. Let me be clear: I think you are trolling and I’m not in any mood to participate in this anymore.

                • Bobby Turkalino@lemmy.yachts
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  0
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  9 months ago

                  Sorry, it’s just that I work in a field where making distinctions is based on math and/or logic, while you’re making a distinction between AI- and non-AI-based image interpolation based on opinion and subjective observation

              • abhibeckert@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                edit-2
                9 months ago

                You can safely ignore those tickets and the police won’t do anything

                Wait what? No.

                It’s entirely possible if you ignore the ticket, a human might review it and find there’s insufficient evidence. But if, for example, you ran a red light and they have a photo that shows your number plate and your face… then you don’t want to ignore that ticket. And they generally take multiple photos, so even if the one you received on the ticket doesn’t identify you, that doesn’t mean you’re safe.

                When automated infringement systems were brand new the cameras were low quality / poorly installed / didn’t gather evidence necessary to win a court challenge… getting tickets overturned was so easy they didn’t even bother taking it to court. But it’s not that easy now, they have picked up their game and are continuing to improve the technology.

                Also - if you claim someone else was driving your car, and then they prove in court that you were driving… congratulations, your slap on the wrist fine is now a much more serious matter.

          • Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            0
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            9 months ago

            What’s your bank account information? I’m either going to add or subtract a lot of money from it. Both alter your account balance so you should be fine with either right?

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        9 months ago

        normie-friendly

        Whenever people say things like this, I wonder why that person thinks they’re so much better than everyone else.

      • Kedly@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        9 months ago

        Bud, hallucinate is a perfect term for the shit AI creates because it doesnt understand reality, regardless if math is creating that hallucination or not

      • Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        9 months ago

        Has this argument ever worked on anyone who has ever touched a digital camera? “Resizing video is just like running it through AI to invent details that didn’t exist in the original image”?

        “It uses math” isn’t the complaint and I’m pretty sure you know that.