I get that it’s a funny retort, but can we not promote this transphobe, pedo adjacent fake ass leftist on here as if he’s not an awful person?
you are lucky that I personally got Biden into office because otherwise – is Hakim from Iraq? Well, hey listen ok, we’re going to get Biden to get those troops out of Iraq ok – wait did he already do that? We are going to keep Biden from fucking bombing anymore of your airports ok. That’s what we’re going to do! - Vaush
There are very few cis youtubers with more pro-trans content on Youtube than Vaush. Hate on the guy for being abrasive or because you don’t like his personality or his humor or because he sometimes has dumb opinions, but there’s no need to lie like this.
Yeah. He gets heated in debates and doesn’t really think what he says through. This being a shining example. He doesn’t get how condescending this comment is to someone from Iraq.
I guess I’ll link this and ask for specifics, because I’ve observed quite the opposite.
Given you seem to have taken your quote about personally getting Biden into office seriously, I think it’s pretty reasonable for anyone to be questioning your take here.
There’s plenty to dislike vaush for, but they always go for the dumbest shit.
I can even start em off. He never does debate prep so if he’s presented with a fact or statistic he doesn’t know, he forms his idea of how he thinks it should work /an explanation that fits his worldview and argues that point then looks up data to back it after the fact. It comes across as super weak, especially for a guy who acts like some supreme lord of intellect.
But then again, knowing that would actually involve engaging with his content. It’s much easier to clip him out of context and call him a pedo.
The guy is certainly far from perfect, but I think he’s pretty reasonable overall, and that the complains above are nonsense.
He certainly slowed up on the debate prep over time, but he’s also basically stopped debating. From what I understand, his rationale was that you can’t get across all statistics, and that the people he was debating weren’t meaningfully backed by the data in any case so it’s fairly easy to find and debunk those syats/studies on the fly, which he frequently did. I don’t think it negatively affected his performance all that much.
It’s a valid complaint to make, though I don’t personally think it’s particularly material, and certainly has nothing to do with the nonsense complaints that were made above.
Oh absolutely. In fact I started watching vaush because I like debates, but Sam seder’s style was really not my jam and nobody else vibes with me. Like destiny is rhetorically effective, but cedes so much ground to actual nazis that he’s hard to watch. Vaush will hold them down on the premises they throw out and expect to be accepted and it’s amazing to watch them squirm.
It’s sad he barely debates anymore and I also don’t give a shit about his fashion arc.
I’m not following Vaush actively, but I’ve never heard any transphobic remarks from him, and the “pedo” stuff has been pretty thoroughly debunked. Do you have specific examples you could share?
Another poster has linked you to his video on this topic. Yes, he said some very stupid things to provoke discussions and reactions, and the whole thing was both immature and misguided. But shouldn’t you be able to say “I did some very stupid things and will do better in the future”?
If he did something similar more recently, I’d be with you - tar and feather him, and exclude him from the community. But he hasn’t (afaik). Mistakes shouldn’t brand you forever, as long as you’re honestly doing better and working against those mistakes.
Pretty recently, there was the incident of his porn folder being leaked on stream. H3H3 had a pretty good breakdown I thought, but the basic premise is: it’s true, a lot of his past rhetoric has a lot of plausible deniability. I.e. Him using extreme examples to make what is a good point, lots of the clips turn out to just be him being baited to talk about his old clips, making it seem like he talks about it a lot more than he does, many clips are actually making the opposite point of what the clip implies he’s making etc.
The thing is, he also has plenty of clips of him saying that consuming lolicon is sus and someone doing that should be scrutinized. And the thing is, the couple images that showed up (just a random sampling of recent porn he had downloaded) contained pretty unequivocal lolicon. And the worst thing was, in his two response videos he made to the H3H3 podcast, he didn’t mention this central criticism of the podcast even once except for some vague allusion to plausible deniability about how old the girls looked. He didn’t take responsibility, he didn’t promise to examine himself or change, he just tried to sweep it under the rug and go for the much more easily defended points about the horses and various out of context clips. (The H3H3 podcast actually did an incredible job putting it all into context and for the most part they ended up seeing Vaushes side in most of the bad-faith clips.)
But as the podcast says, what Vaush is relying on is that no one in his audience actually sees the images that were on his hard drive, (which to be fair, it doesn’t show up on a quick Google search, and it’s not very pleasant to go hunting for the photos)
You are aware that 18 years old is higher than the age of consent in most of the Developed World, were it’s generally set at 16: in this like in many other things it’s the US that’s the outlier religious nutter of the developed world.
Not to mention that your “logic” is claiming that somebody who wants to change the law is not law abidding, which is ridiculous: if that person did not care to abide by the law, why change it?!
No idea what’s the full idea of this guy and if it is or not a good suggestion, but the logic and format of you counter-point has a crazy “only criminals would want to change the law” subservient statist-bitch vibe to it.
Literally none of that is true about Vaush though. He’s been accused of all those things, but every single accusations ends up being either a massively uncharitable interpretation of something he said, or a straight up “I think Coolsville sucks” cut
I get that it’s a funny retort, but can we not promote this transphobe, pedo adjacent fake ass leftist on here as if he’s not an awful person?
There are very few cis youtubers with more pro-trans content on Youtube than Vaush. Hate on the guy for being abrasive or because you don’t like his personality or his humor or because he sometimes has dumb opinions, but there’s no need to lie like this.
Yeah. He gets heated in debates and doesn’t really think what he says through. This being a shining example. He doesn’t get how condescending this comment is to someone from Iraq.
I guess I’ll link this and ask for specifics, because I’ve observed quite the opposite.
Given you seem to have taken your quote about personally getting Biden into office seriously, I think it’s pretty reasonable for anyone to be questioning your take here.
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There’s plenty to dislike vaush for, but they always go for the dumbest shit.
I can even start em off. He never does debate prep so if he’s presented with a fact or statistic he doesn’t know, he forms his idea of how he thinks it should work /an explanation that fits his worldview and argues that point then looks up data to back it after the fact. It comes across as super weak, especially for a guy who acts like some supreme lord of intellect.
But then again, knowing that would actually involve engaging with his content. It’s much easier to clip him out of context and call him a pedo.
The guy is certainly far from perfect, but I think he’s pretty reasonable overall, and that the complains above are nonsense.
He certainly slowed up on the debate prep over time, but he’s also basically stopped debating. From what I understand, his rationale was that you can’t get across all statistics, and that the people he was debating weren’t meaningfully backed by the data in any case so it’s fairly easy to find and debunk those syats/studies on the fly, which he frequently did. I don’t think it negatively affected his performance all that much.
It’s a valid complaint to make, though I don’t personally think it’s particularly material, and certainly has nothing to do with the nonsense complaints that were made above.
Oh absolutely. In fact I started watching vaush because I like debates, but Sam seder’s style was really not my jam and nobody else vibes with me. Like destiny is rhetorically effective, but cedes so much ground to actual nazis that he’s hard to watch. Vaush will hold them down on the premises they throw out and expect to be accepted and it’s amazing to watch them squirm.
It’s sad he barely debates anymore and I also don’t give a shit about his fashion arc.
I couldn’t agree more.
He is pro-NATO, so, not a leftist. Source
Oh imperialist expansionism forced Russia to invade a soverign country huh?
But no go ahead and keep purity testing, see how that works for you.
I’m not following Vaush actively, but I’ve never heard any transphobic remarks from him, and the “pedo” stuff has been pretty thoroughly debunked. Do you have specific examples you could share?
https://streamable.com/fdy60u
https://twitter.com/beigegoat45/status/1325705005886746624
https://streamable.com/kd2967
I’ll amend my statement to “pedo-enabling”, happy? So where’s that “thorough” debunk?
Another poster has linked you to his video on this topic. Yes, he said some very stupid things to provoke discussions and reactions, and the whole thing was both immature and misguided. But shouldn’t you be able to say “I did some very stupid things and will do better in the future”?
If he did something similar more recently, I’d be with you - tar and feather him, and exclude him from the community. But he hasn’t (afaik). Mistakes shouldn’t brand you forever, as long as you’re honestly doing better and working against those mistakes.
Pretty recently, there was the incident of his porn folder being leaked on stream. H3H3 had a pretty good breakdown I thought, but the basic premise is: it’s true, a lot of his past rhetoric has a lot of plausible deniability. I.e. Him using extreme examples to make what is a good point, lots of the clips turn out to just be him being baited to talk about his old clips, making it seem like he talks about it a lot more than he does, many clips are actually making the opposite point of what the clip implies he’s making etc.
The thing is, he also has plenty of clips of him saying that consuming lolicon is sus and someone doing that should be scrutinized. And the thing is, the couple images that showed up (just a random sampling of recent porn he had downloaded) contained pretty unequivocal lolicon. And the worst thing was, in his two response videos he made to the H3H3 podcast, he didn’t mention this central criticism of the podcast even once except for some vague allusion to plausible deniability about how old the girls looked. He didn’t take responsibility, he didn’t promise to examine himself or change, he just tried to sweep it under the rug and go for the much more easily defended points about the horses and various out of context clips. (The H3H3 podcast actually did an incredible job putting it all into context and for the most part they ended up seeing Vaushes side in most of the bad-faith clips.)
But as the podcast says, what Vaush is relying on is that no one in his audience actually sees the images that were on his hard drive, (which to be fair, it doesn’t show up on a quick Google search, and it’s not very pleasant to go hunting for the photos)
You are aware that 18 years old is higher than the age of consent in most of the Developed World, were it’s generally set at 16: in this like in many other things it’s the US that’s the outlier religious nutter of the developed world.
Not to mention that your “logic” is claiming that somebody who wants to change the law is not law abidding, which is ridiculous: if that person did not care to abide by the law, why change it?!
No idea what’s the full idea of this guy and if it is or not a good suggestion, but the logic and format of you counter-point has a crazy “only criminals would want to change the law” subservient statist-bitch vibe to it.
Literally none of that is true about Vaush though. He’s been accused of all those things, but every single accusations ends up being either a massively uncharitable interpretation of something he said, or a straight up “I think Coolsville sucks” cut