This is gonna end up like those people who got an implant to be able to see, and when the company went under, they lost support and their eyesight
That’s the first thing I said when this was first posted, all those people who had the implants that enabled sight are left with no parts and no support since the company went under.
There should be laws in place stating these companies will provide support and parts for the entire life of the users. Anything less is criminal.
Better to mandate open hardware and software standards, so if the company goes under others can make parts or even upgrade the devices.
Inching closer to cyberpunk every day
I would add open plans and open source so that if anything happens with the company another company can come in and pick up support easily.
How do you go about enforcing this when the company goes under? (Almost like healthcare shouldn’t be private lol)
Open Source required when going bankrupt for all biomedical companies?
Doesn’t help if no one picks up the ball on manufacturing spare parts. Manufacturing medical devices is really expensive, even more so when you have to do small batches of niche hardware, and requires fairly special manufacturing capabilities so it’s not easily done by anyone.
Is this perhaps a different thing than the one that had 2 patients with basically VR glasses similar to Geordi from Star Trek and the doctor running the research died? IIRC, the company is still around and the patients only lost major support in the fact that the lead researcher, who knew all the ins and outs of the project, died.
Maybe I’m cynical, but this seems like something that would be incredibly easy to fake
What, Elon Musk publishing a doctored video making extraordinary claims as a marketing tool? I can’t imagine it.
The fact it’s a video game smells of Musk’s touch. Anyone else remember all the tweets he made about Tesla running games on the main monitor?
He’d then have to go all the way to the Internet just to lie. Seems like a lot of work to me.
TBH you could replace “elon musk” with “company” just as well. Unfortunately this is general behaviour that has been demonstrated more than once by companies wanting to create hype about their product.
Like all that fake data on Tesla’s self-driving cars
And that robot they were gonna release.
Not the human in a suit, the animatronic one.
What they shown so far does not sound impressive. There is a twitch streamer that uses EEG device ans translates signals to button presses. She has beaten elden ring with that. From “achievement” point of view what they have shown here is not that special
There is no way I am putting proprietary hardware and especially proprietary software into my brain.
I agree, but years ago most of us would have said something similar when asked to carry around a device that will track your position everywhere you go. Now we all do that, because smartphones are just so convenient.
Yep I agree with your agreement, I can totally see the next generations being amazed by viewing short videos without even having the fatigue of holding a phone.
I use custom degoogled rom and custom DNS server on my phone, so I minimized the tracking to minimum.
Either way brain chip and phone are a lot different. One you can easily discard, other one you cant. I don’t want to dream coca cola ads at night. What happens when they stop supporting / updating it. There is probably something in their contract, where they can force you back on the operating table to take the chip back, if they don’t like something that you did, or they are running out of money etc.
If I have a shitty phone the worst case scenario is I throw it away…
A blind/paralyzed person might feel a bit differently about that. Healthy people getting brain implants for fun is quite far in the future. That is not the intended usecase for Neuralink at this time.
blind/paralyzed person might feel a bit differently about that.
Yeah, because they’re forced into that position due to circumstance.
Which is exactly why able-bodied people should be free to criticise this model and call for open source alternatives.
To protect people that have been rendered incapable of protecting themselves.
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Fair enough, BTW Sync for a Lemmy has some of these as a handy access, and I am pretty sure some other clients do.
This is fantastic, but I am extremely worried about it being in the control of Elon Musk.
And now we wait. Quick reminder about the Monkeys, which still haunt me.
That sounds chillingly similar to that episode in Fall of the House of Usher.
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How much is the subscription for ad-free thinking? Or is it free for non-commercial use?
Don’t worry you will only get ads in your sleep, no productivity from yourself will be affected 👍🏻
Imagine being an early adopter and every time you close your eyes it’s the same fucking ad where Kanye chants: “Elon macht frei” for hours.
We’ve all been playing Mario Kart with our minds already, using our mind to manipulate those fleshy sticks attached to our shoulders. It’s fuckin amazing.
The only usefulness this has is to help someone who can’t do that. And the fact that it’s attached to Elon and that all previous test subjects died and that it’s still been put in a human is pretty dystopian.
All previous animal test subjects died, including the majority that were euthanized at the end of the test period for dissection and study. There was a super high failure rate but let’s not misrepresent what actually happened.
I mean, it’s at the very edge of what science can do and realistically there’s not that much else you could do except test on relatively highly developed animals. You’d kind of expect that to happen, but I don’t see a viable alternative.
Working on the bleeding edge of scientific research does not relieve someone of treating animals with ethical consideration. A “move fast and break things” approach might be good for a startup and maybe even for a rocket company, but that approach isn’t okay if “breaking things” includes living, feeling animals.
What’s the alternative for brain related experiments? Just not advance ever?
I believe experiments like these should move slower and with more scrutiny. As in more animal testing before moving on to humans, esp. due to the controversies surrounding Neuralink’s last animal experiments.
The least they should do is make sure no animal suffers needlessly and no more animals than necessary are used for testing. I don’t have confidence in moral standards, when employees say the number of deaths is higher than needed because of demands of faster research.
Also there is some research on non-invasive ways to get signals from the brain. Why not try that before testing implants on animals?
Some people think 1 death is too many.
They did, it’s probably not as good tech, which is why they are looking for better….
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You can in fact test many of these devices in mice and even zebrafish.
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You repeat testing in animals (with modifications) til it is actually safe or you at least understand what the risk is and how to mitigate it to tell the people who are going to trial it.
- You can in fact test many of these devices in mice and even zebrafish.
So your solution to animal testing is other animal testing? Strange solution.
Nothing will ever be risk free, and most of the subjects stayed alive until euthanized to see the results. How else would you get the results?
Yes, but lower order animals. There are creatures with more or less intelligence and therefore more or less capacity of suffering.
Euthanasia is fine for an end point but as an implanted device is lifelong such a short time with the implant before sacrifice is not as useful as longer timepoints.
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Lol this is funny.
“Uh, why didn’t he just use his arms??? DUH”
Neuralink hasn’t address the security complications, hopefully their engineers know what are they doing
The same can be achieved with non-implanted BCI. Why get invasive surgery?
I’ve seen this kind of thing as well as people given an entirely new sense (a sense of direction similar to how birds can sense magnetic north) with just an EEG cap. Why would you need to implant something directly in the brain to do this?
Yeah, the only way they’ll put a Musk chip in my brain is by force.
This is how he intends to get full self drive teslas
By having someone locked inside the trunk that drives in your stead? Sounds very Musk.
The purpose of Neuralink is not to enable you to play mario kart. It’s obviously just a demo.
Then they should demo what it can do that a simple EEG cap can’t.
But this is not EEG cap. It’s completely different technology and this demo is just a proof that it works. Isn’t this kind of like dismissing wi-fi because we already have landlines?
Nope, wifi adds value. They are asking what the added value is
I didn’t know about people, but there is no way I am getting a fucking electronic chip installed in my brain, no matter how cool it might be
It should only ever be imo used to help the disabled and that too without any involvement of someone like elon
Non invasive BCI capable of the exact stuff neuralink has demonstrated has existed for a while and its probably a much more viable way to help the disabled than cramming chips into their head.
What if it’s a suppository.
🤔 How girthy we talkin’ here?
Can it vibrate?
I mean, it is up to you.
Then what is your plan to learn about upcoming things like the new pampers absorption technology 4.0.1?!
This technology is evolving so fast it wont be long and a non invasive wearable will be able to do exactly the same.
Still around, too: https://www.gtec.at/product-configurator/unicorn-brain-interface/
$1,200 US entry price might seem a bit steep for a “fancy game controller/keyboard” to the able-bodied, but the QOL improvements for disabled people easily eclipse that.
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Not supertuxcart ? I’m dissapointed and my day is ruined.
It hopefully won’t be an Elon company, but someone is gonna mangle a TON of pigs and monkeys to make this tech ready work.
Humanity needs to understand what it will take. Even the highest standards of specimen care are still horrific.
The price of being apex and moraliy responsible.
Yeah, I don’t know this, but did we very gently slay a ton of animals learning how to do surgery and heart transplants?
I’m not a huge fan either, but how do people feel when the procedure saves their mom or kid?
If this is for the betterment of humanity, then I suppose the tech and research is all open source and freely available for anyone to peruse? That this patient with electronics implanted in them is free to do as they please to the hardware and software of said electronics?
Lol, no way. They’ll basically say they own the software, and you can’t do anything except not get one. They already say you don’t own the OS in your phone 😋
Right, so it’s for profit, not for the betterment of mankind.
did we very gently slay a ton of animals learning how to do surgery and heart transplants
While I can’t say for certain whether or not it’s true for your example, animals are frequently used (to this day) for medical research. I know for a fact sheep are used for burn/smoke inhalation studies and pigs are used for trauma studies at US Army institute for surgical research. They also use rabbits and mice.
All of them are heavily sedated before experimentation; lots of fentanyl etc. Death comes by way of potassium injection after the data is collected.
It’s hard to see, but I know people who went through the pig trauma program and it was huge. Way more real experience than any training aid ever. Just sucks.
This isn’t related to the pig trauma training they provide for medics, but rather to optimize blood product usage in cases of massive blood loss. Similar idea but it’s not for training purposes, strictly research. They’d punch a hole in their spleen (I think), bleed them out, then try different strategies / combinations of blood products and other fluids to see how well it resuscitated the pig. They’d then get killed with an injection of blue juice (KCl solution).
I said no to animal research and stuck to obtaining the blood products from human volunteers and doing some analysis of blood drawn from patients in the burn ward who were getting treatment, which was another angle of research done there.
How many years of software updates? 😆
