You know, with Hitler, the more I learn about that guy, the more I don’t care for him.
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Well he lost so history remains intact.
Idk, I've been flipping through this history book written in 1941 and it says he did a lot of winning so how bad could he be?
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I know I'm taking a joke remark too seriously, but "History is written by the victors" is just plain wrong. More often than not it is, sure, but it's not exclusively, or even overwhelmingly.
History is written by those who write it. This can be the winners or the losers, and there are plenty of examples for both.
E: people crying about this even though it's blatantly true and I've provided plenty of examples in another comment.
Sorry, but people need to stop universally applying and blindly believing Churchill's history is written by the victors quote.
It was a half-cocked throwaway line by a politician, it's not a universal law.
History is written by the literate.
I can't remember the comedian who was like "This America guy was just a mapmaker and now he's famous."
History is written by historians
Historians are written by genetic material as well as experiences and reactions to both.
History is
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"Just plain wrong"......."More often than not" yeah.....
Those comments aren't contradictory in the slightest.
Read the comment again and stop being deliberately obtuse.
If someone said "food is served hot" then yeah, they're right, most food is. But plenty of food isn't.
E: brand new account with -700 karma. Damn, baited by a blatant troll. Goodbye.
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It's a very idealist Hume-inspired view of history that even makes this distinction. It's taking for granted that history is determined by conflicts between good and bad. This also takes form in phrases like "the right side of history."
or, "what no historical materialism does to a mfer."
“History is written by the victors” is just plain wrong
The most published book in the world just so happens to be the religious narrative that justifies the most successful empire-building exercise in world history.
The second most published book in the world is a book of quotations by the founder of the modern incarnation of the most populace (and arguably the most economically successful) nation in world history.
The third most published book (series) in the world is a fantasy about wizards in high school written and distributed by the colonial power that originally mass marketed that first book so aggressively.
it’s not exclusively, or even overwhelmingly
Perhaps "History is published and distributed by the victors" is a more accurate. But it is always worth analyzing the historical narrative you receive through the lens of the people producing and distributing the texts.
Yeah, sure, Howard Zinn and Hunter S. Thompson and Betty Friedan exist. But their works are unlikely to be the ones your Middle School World History teacher is distributing copies of. In fact, given the recent wave of book bans and library scourges happening across the United States, you're even less likely to find a copy of their works today than you would have five or ten years ago.
Those books aren't really history though. You could argue that there is some history in the Bible, but a lot of it is not history at all.
Also, the Old Testament was written by the Jews while they were part of the Persian Empire, so I'd say they were still the losers even though they were released from slavery and given land.
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You're deliberately misinterpreting my statement as "history is never written by the victors", which isn't what I said. I have another comment with a number of examples that disprove the quote that everyone treats as gospel.
I don't know what your second example is referring to.
And Harry Potter being written by someone who happens to be from a former colonial power is the biggest reach I believe I've seen in my entire life. So good job with that.
Seriously, how is that an example of history being written by the victors? Childrens books are written by the victors, maybe. It's a book about magic school kids, not a writing of history. And it was published by a publishing company, not by the government of colonial-era Britain.
History is not written by the victors. It is written by those who are most able to write history. More often than not this is the victors, but it is far, far from the rule.
I don’t know what your second example is referring to.
Quotes from Chairman Mao, the very apotheosis of a victor writing history.
Seriously, how is that an example of history being written by the victors?
HP is a fantastic glamorization of elementary students growing up during the domestic fascist turn in the wake of WW2. It isn't simply a story about wizard kids, but an allegory describing liberals coming of age during the 60s and 70s. The heroes and villains and side-characters are all fictional re-imaginings of period figures. Had the English come out on the wrong side of the World Wars, you'd likely be reading a similar set of books translated off the German, telling a similar coming-of-age story about growing up in post-war globally dominant Germany as a young wizard coming of age with evil (((monsters))) hiding in the school basement that only a clever and talented Draco Malfoy could grow up to defeat.
History is not written by the victors. It is written by those who are most able to write history.
The folks most able to write history are the ones in the position to conduct research, formulate a narrative, and distribute it most aggressively. Those people are inevitably working on behalf of the most wealthy and influential business and political interests in the region. Aka "the victors".
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I'm pretty sure I know what the first book is, and I'm pretty sure I've read the third book(s). What is the second?
Quotes from Chairman Mao
No saying is a universal law, that's not really the point of those phrases. "How history is taught is heavily influenced by those in power" is just not as catchy. I think you're taking it too literally.
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RIP Norm Macdonald
RIP indeed, dude was the funniest comedian to me. I went and watched every possible clip of Norm available online right before he passed. The YouTube channel I'm Not Norm has 'em all
Fuck Youtube, use the Internet Archive instead. Here is the link to watch all the Norm podcasts with NO ADS:
At least now we know it really wasn't Norm.
I'm not norm is a legend
Norm was fairly right-wing and said some pretty unacceptable things., but he was an undeniably talented comedian and I'm glad we have his body of work to remember him by.
Mr. MacDonald had this to say about the sentencing: "In Nebraska, a man was sentenced for killing a female crossdresser [sic] who had accused him of rape and two of her friends. Excuse me if this sounds harsh, but in my mind, they all deserved to die."
In case you don’t know where to look. This (and other comments) is well documented and plenty discussed. I don’t know if I’d say he’s right wing nor would I say he’s left wing. He was definitely bigoted and sexist.
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Well it is because the bad guys were real jerks!
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