Japan prepares regulation requiring Apple to allow sideloading::As the Digital Markets Act antitrust law passed in the European Union, Apple has until March 2024 to let users…

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    Having app developers be able to avoid Apples forced 30% fee is great. The fee is pure rent seeking masquerading as curation.

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        The #1 thing they provide is exposure.

        The vast majority of users simply won’t download and install something they find on a website on their phones.

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        Agreed, If it wasn’t a forced arrangement I wouldn’t necessarily nave a problem with the price

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        I suspect you’re just repeating arguments you’ve heard, so don’t take this internet rage personally, but that is complete bullshit.

        • Hosting costs nothing. Devs will gladly foot the bill for that if given the option. Even if you distribute your apps on AWS (which is notorious for severely overcharging on egress), your expenses will be no where near 15%-30% of your revenue.

        • Payment processing is a competitive field outside the appstores. Even 15%-30% is ludicrous when “overpriced” processors like stripe charge 2%-3%

        • APIs are not something sold to developers. They build them as part of the operating system because they have to. That’s how it works. They could try selling licenses, but it would result in devs not building on their fancy new features.

        (you didn’t mention the ones below, but people with your argument usually do, so I’m adding them for completeness)

        • Security is also bullshit. The Appstore and Play store are FILLED with malware. It is not physically possible to manually review the sheer volume of apps published to those stores. They also are not incentivized to improve the process much, because each time your kid or grandma accidentally activates a $40/week subscription, Apple/Google take a 15%-30% cut.

        • Curation/promotion is bullshit. Discoverability on these stores has always been bad, but has been particularly awful since both Apple/Google have started selling search ads in the store. The other day I almost accidentally downloaded a fake ChatGPT app because it was the first result when I searched, it had a very similar icon, “ChatGPT” in the name, 5 stars, and millions of downloads.

        These stores also heavily incentivize devs to push subscriptions. I suspect (but haven’t confirmed) that the Appstore and Google Play both rank subscription based apps higher than others, and subs tend to pay a lower revshare fee than other monetization types.

        I could go on all day about the rotten dumpster fires that are these disgusting stores. The only people who defend them are fanboys and people who have never actually had to deal with them professionally.

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    legislation is expected to be sent to parliament next year and focuses on four areas: app stores and payments, search, browsers, and operating systems.

    We also get Linux on iPhones??

    And the talk is just about sideloading… :-)

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        Most likely it means what the OS allows and won’t allow. In this case, it will focus on iOS and allowing you to install software without using the app store (3rd party stores)

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        Wouldn’t putting Android on an iPhone be redundant? It would have less features and capability for a higher cost.

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          Are you saying Android has less features and capabilities? Or am I reading it wrong?

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            You’re indeed reading that incorrectly. You can see clearly that I’m saying the iPhone with Android OS has less features for a higher cost (Compared To an Android Phone).

            The reason that’s implied is because I included cost, because comparing an iPhone with Android to an iPhone with iOS the cost wouldn’t change at all.

            iPhone has less lenses, lower megapixels, less zoom, and the charging cables are less effective or in many cases use proprietary charger instead of USB-C, among other things.

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              Ahh I see, thanks!

              The reason I was confused is that I was assuming this is about older iPhones, you know, the ones Apple is deliberately slowing down. So installing a lightweight Android ROM could give them a new lease on life.

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          I would assume it’s to use the chips but that only works if they’re forced to provide proper drivers for the full hardware

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          Not true. I’d love to be able to jailbreak again. I’m locked in to the ecosystem by work and a backlog of apps 15 years deep.

          Granted I’m on Lemmy so I guess I’m not a normal iOS user

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          Yeah it’s literally a status symbol amongst kids.

          My kid is desperate for one but can’t give me a single compelling reason apart from they’re seen as cool.

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            I like Apple products because they just work. I have tried Windows, Linux, & Android, but I ultimately decided on just using the Apple Ecosystem (except for my gaming computer) because the products just work well. Sure they cost more and are locked down but I am willing to sacrifice those things for things for the boost in productivity.

            Apple isn’t for everybody but their products have upsides.

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              They just work (usually) if you want to use their products the way they want you to use them.

              If you have your own idea how to do something on your own that’s any different, you will slowly go insane.

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                They just work (usually) if you want to use their products the way they want you to use them.

                Well… Yeah? That’s the case for most products.

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                Why downvotes? They are both right, with an exception of MacBooks. Otherwise, you are limited by use cases predicted by the manufacturer, even if it “just works”.

                I use both iPhone and MacBook, with the latter mostly as a Unix that, again, “just works”, but I can even go as far as compile whole GNU userspace natively with Gentoo Prefix (one of many options).

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                  Cuz it makes no sense. You wouldn’t complain that the iPhone doesn’t work as a skateboard because they don’t want you using it as a skateboard. It doesn’t work as a skateboard because it’s not a skateboard. All companies design products to be used the way the company wants you to use them. If op is talking about it being super locked down, that’s also incorrect. I can disable plenty of the security features on Mac and it continues to work just fine, compared to windows where if you disable UAC you literally cannot use your computer the same way and it will bug you constantly. It’s just a trope that isn’t really true at all.

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      lol right

      Good luck getting any of the hardware to work properly without Apple’s help.

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        It’s actually not that hard once you have access. ARM Chips can be difficult to get into, but programming for them is not that hard. The peripherals and other segments might be married components but that should be fine as long as they don’t get swapped out at any point.

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    Based Japan once again. I would love to see other countries requiring this too, but I’m not going to hold my breath unfortunately.

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    sideloading would be nice; i have no idea how people can get proper work done on an ipad as of now (especially with apple at one point acting like it was only a matter of time for them to replace laptops). everything is so overly glossy and surface level and designed for children or the elderly; you can’t actually DO anything!

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      Even with side loading, you will still be pretty limited as the iPad is decently locked down. First of all it needs a decent window manager. That alone would go a long way.

      But honestly, these things should be running full blown macOS when they are docked to a mouse and keyboard.

      They had an 11” air at one point, so screen size can’t be the issue.

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        This could be the real “pro” iPhone. Running m3, acting as a phone by itself and throwing a full macOS with Office and Adobe Cloud apps when docked.

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          Yeah! Even if not an m3, the chip in the 15 pro is good enough for most people. If you really need more power then, get an m3.

          I’d love if my phone was my computer in that way.

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      Yuh-huh! Just get a terminal emulator from the App Store. I will be just a few dollars a month. Then you can ssh into a Linux server you have somewhere.

      See it’s an entire computer!

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      That’s the point. They want people to use devices where information is given to them, but they can’t interact with it or give something back.

      They literally want us scrolling tiktok all day before it’s time to get ready for work.

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        That’s also where the Web is now.

        People are saying that Flash was bad and HTML5 with heavy JS and all the functionality of modern browsers is good.

        Such people are either fine with it, or don’t understand that downsides of Flash (or Java applets, or whatever else) were defined by its advantages, which were much more important.

        A lot of kids or young people with no particular interest in IT\CS\engineering would use Flash for animations or little cute things which made their simple, possible back then websites more alive. (I’ve just looked at such one site, abandoned with some trace of a resurrection attempt in 2019, and it’s gorgeous.)

        You had to know less to make your own stuff in that old Web than you have to know now.

        The Web is by its purpose a networked global hypertext system, a living library with common participation.

        That some people want to repurpose it, think they’ve been successful at it, and think others will go along with their wishes, - is sad, but should have no weight.

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      My iPad has basically become a YouTube machine. There are no useful productivity features, no file manager, and no good games coming out that aren’t already on PC with mods.

      Back in 2013 I loved my iPad, but now I’m thinking of just getting a surface

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      I don’t take a laptop with me when I travel, because the iPad is more than enough for my work needs for a few days. Working with large spreadsheets is the only thing I absolutely need a computer for.

      I have friends who are programmers and regularly work on just an iPad. As I understand it, they only need a computer for some more horsepower-hungry parts of their workflow.

      The real problem with iPads is iPadOS. It’s intentionally gimped so you need a computer for some tasks. The iPad Pro has more than enough processing power and memory for full workloads (as well it should, given the price point), the OS is the restricting factor.

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      What real work can even be done on any tablet that is not running desktop OS? I guess you could write stuff or edit spreadsheets, but that’s it.

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    Usb-C, side loading, what’s next? APK or snap packages compatibility?

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    Great, now force them to open up their NFC, so mobile banking apps can skip Apple Pay for their contactless payment feature

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    I was against sideloading, because I’m in it for the walled garden and if governments were to use their own stalls to publish their apps, then, actually it doesn’t matter anymore! Our gov apps still invasive anyway, imo.

    For the clueless, the particular app scans your face with various coloured screens being blasted through the phone screen, doesn’t matter if you have face ID enabled or not, its their own scan.

    Power to sideloading.

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      You being paid by apple to fear monger about sideloading?

      If you fear this, just leave the sideloading to others.

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        Wherever I ever see a comment complaining about sideloading, I just assume they’re an Apple financed marketing shill.

        Even if they’re just a brainwashed moron, the argument is so stupid they deserve nothing but ridicule.

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          My biggest issue is cancelling recurring services. The Apple model requires that all your subscriptions appear on a pane of glass that you can notice if you signed up for a free trial and it’s been billing you $2.99/month because you wanted to read your kid Dr. Suess books on a flight when you were exhausted. Good luck figuring that out if you only have “$2.99 STRIPE BABELBOX INC” on your credit card bill.

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        Um, I said I believed before. I don’t believe it works anymore (walled garden). And that the government apps already doing this in the walled garden. Even said power to sideloading….

        And I get downvoted to oblivion?

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          Probably also for the Q-Anon level lunacy with the government apps n stuff.

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              Wanting privacy is OK, and your link to the video on the face ID of the bank also helped explain what you where talking about.

              It’s the way you wrote it that came across if you where some conspiracy nutcase and that causes downvotes.

              Many people share concerns about the use and storage of PII by for profit companies and governments without any oversight on what actually happens with the data. It is good that waryness on who you provide what data to is Becoming more mainstream. I remember years ago people would look at me funny if I replied “no thank you” when asked my zip code in a store. Now a lot more people do it.

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      About 90% of my apps from fdroid. A Foss store that will do they’re best to ensure no anti or invasive features break through to my phone. I am certain that apple will have a similar store.

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        Yeah, I’ll even go as far as to say that because F-Droid apps are usually not for profit you get actually good apps without ads or trying to sell you anything.

        They’re just an app that some dude found they needed and developed, and then made available for everyone else.

        This is the most jarring difference I find when I go to the App Store, so a FOSS repository for iOS would be so huge.

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        And I’m sure of that. Suffice to say it doesn’t matter because Apple’s walled garden allowed the Gov’s invasive app regardless.

        Just to be clear: it doesn’t matter because the walled garden sucked and didn’t work and I don’t mind a third party store anymore.