If Israel actually gave all Palestinians Israeli citizenship, you’d be right. But, that’s not going to happen. Why do you think the Nakba happened and Israel keeps rejecting Palestinian right of return? They want Israel to have a Jewish majority and they’re willing to commit Apartheid and ethnic cleansing to get it.
Are you aware of the fact how easy democracy can be turned into a dictatorship? Just look at Germany from 1930s.
Majority of Palestinians are quite radicalized. Take Gaza inhabitants, for instance. For the past 18 years Hamas was governing there and you know what’s Hamas’s main goal? To remove all the Jews and Israel altogether. Many Palestinian citizens actually support this narrative.
Now let’s be realistic: how many % could Hamas get in the Israel+Palestine elections. Just look at this poll: https://thehill.com/opinion/4273883-mellman-do-palestinians-support-hamas-polls-paint-a-murky-picture/
This means Hamas would probably get anywhere from 15-25% if there were joint in Israel+Palestine. Do I have to keep on explaining why this would be a catastrophe?
And also don’t forget to add some radical orthodox Jews who believe the entirety of the land was given by God to Jews…
For the same reason there aren’t joint elections between south and north korea…
This is unbelievable man. You are literally accusing me without proving one relevant argument whilst I in detail explained why at the moment it would have disastrous effects to let Palestinians vote in Israeli government.
And I am rather ignoring the Hitler note cause it’s rather funny.
Have you ever been to Israel and Palestine? Cause to me it seems like you have no clue what’s happening there and acting like you’re the most knowledgeable in the world.
There is this weird thing called comment history. I took a peek and you are hands down one of the more bigoted assholes here.
Take a peek at mine and you will see how much I know, I’ll wait dipshit.
That you can’t see how you are acting like a modern day Nazi is an amazing skill you have. Take off your blinders and look at what you have said if you just switch out the names of countries and peoples for say “whites” and “blacks”. I know you won’t honestly do it because you are steeped in propaganda and the cognitive dissonance would cook your brain.
Oh and just to make sure I’m clear I don’t show courtesy to racist’s. With that in mind… Fuck off bigot.
I have genuinely no idea how my comments resemble Nazis’ rhetoric. My family almost died due to Nazi regime, so I truly hate this regime.
What I have said it that Palestinians should not be allowed to vote in joint Palestine+Israel elections. Same for Israelis. In fact, I believe that there should never be a joint Israel+Palestine election (at least not in near future) because one-state solution does not seem realistic to me. How do you imagine 2 nations that are fighting for the past 70 years to have a single shared state? Do you honestly believe that such a state would work? Do you think there would be any culture in such parliament?
Hence why I believe that more-realistic is a 2 state solution where both Israel and Palestine would have their own elections (ideally). However, even option will not happen very soon because currently the relations are worse than ever. Still, I believe this is more probable than a single-state solution.
And yes, I would definitely like to see what you know and what your view is because so far you have presented zero facts. So far now it seems like all you can do is insult people who do not have exactly the same opinion as you do.
You are resorting to name calling rather than having a substantive conversation. You invoked Godwin’s law. I looked at their comment history and didn’t see any racism at least in the first page or so. Yours, however is full of outrage trolling and insults hurled, accusing those who disagree of being chatbots or arguing in bad faith. I feel bad for your 8-year-old If you behave like this in real life.
Nah I just got tired of attempting to deprogram zionist bigots with essays explaining the reasons they were wrong. Go back further in my comment history and you will see me explaining apartheid, genocide, ethnic cleansing, history of the conflict, etc from the non-propaganda side of history (ie : not just instantly siding with Israel in ALL situations). For example (and I’m not sure if I have mentioned it here on Lemmy or elsewhere) UN resolution A/RES/77/25. Go read it : https://www.un.org/unispal/document/peaceful-settlement-of-the-question-of-palestine-ga-resolution-a-res-77-25/
Wanna guess what 9 members voted against it while 153 voted in favor??
The PLO and Hamas both tried peaceful civil disobedience and were brutally gunned down.
Repeatedly.
What options are really left for an occupied people? And before you answer, tell me how many slave revolts happened in the US and if they should not have done it instead trying to peacefully negotiate with their oppressors.
As to my attitude towards the jackoff that you felt the need to white knight for… I have lost much of my desire to try to turn those bigots around. They are a lost cause and too deep in accepting the propaganda fed to them uncritically. So I just call them what they are and tell them to fuck off like I would to any other bigot or nazi.
If Israel actually gave all Palestinians Israeli citizenship, you’d be right. But, that’s not going to happen. Why do you think the Nakba happened and Israel keeps rejecting Palestinian right of return? They want Israel to have a Jewish majority and they’re willing to commit Apartheid and ethnic cleansing to get it.
They should let the people literally trying to murder them for the last 70 years elect their leaders? Brilliant plan.
Not doing this is apartheid/ethnic cleansing? Please. Gaza was given the chance to elect their leaders, they chose Hamas and intifada.
I bet they could negotiate for a right of return provided they are willing to pacify themselves and sue for a viable peace.
The Nakba happened because Palestinians declared war on Israel and lost.
You’re a disgusting and pathetic human being.
Edit: BTW how do I report people to the instance admins?
Pretty sure disagreeing with you isn’t against the rules. You just violated rule 5, however.
For justifying genocide/ethnic cleansing (take your pick).
I’m suggesting that those terms do not accurately describe what’s happening.
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“WE CAN’T LET THEM VOTE OR THEY MIGHT VOTE FOR THE WRONG PEOPLE!”
Put the mask back up, your authoritarian and bigoted cheeks are showing.
Are you aware of the fact how easy democracy can be turned into a dictatorship? Just look at Germany from 1930s.
Majority of Palestinians are quite radicalized. Take Gaza inhabitants, for instance. For the past 18 years Hamas was governing there and you know what’s Hamas’s main goal? To remove all the Jews and Israel altogether. Many Palestinian citizens actually support this narrative.
Now let’s be realistic: how many % could Hamas get in the Israel+Palestine elections. Just look at this poll: https://thehill.com/opinion/4273883-mellman-do-palestinians-support-hamas-polls-paint-a-murky-picture/ This means Hamas would probably get anywhere from 15-25% if there were joint in Israel+Palestine. Do I have to keep on explaining why this would be a catastrophe? And also don’t forget to add some radical orthodox Jews who believe the entirety of the land was given by God to Jews…
For the same reason there aren’t joint elections between south and north korea…
What a load of shit.
Justify your bigotry however you want, you are still acting in a way that would make Hitler proud of you.
This is unbelievable man. You are literally accusing me without proving one relevant argument whilst I in detail explained why at the moment it would have disastrous effects to let Palestinians vote in Israeli government. And I am rather ignoring the Hitler note cause it’s rather funny.
Have you ever been to Israel and Palestine? Cause to me it seems like you have no clue what’s happening there and acting like you’re the most knowledgeable in the world.
There is this weird thing called comment history. I took a peek and you are hands down one of the more bigoted assholes here.
Take a peek at mine and you will see how much I know, I’ll wait dipshit.
That you can’t see how you are acting like a modern day Nazi is an amazing skill you have. Take off your blinders and look at what you have said if you just switch out the names of countries and peoples for say “whites” and “blacks”. I know you won’t honestly do it because you are steeped in propaganda and the cognitive dissonance would cook your brain.
Oh and just to make sure I’m clear I don’t show courtesy to racist’s. With that in mind… Fuck off bigot.
I have genuinely no idea how my comments resemble Nazis’ rhetoric. My family almost died due to Nazi regime, so I truly hate this regime.
What I have said it that Palestinians should not be allowed to vote in joint Palestine+Israel elections. Same for Israelis. In fact, I believe that there should never be a joint Israel+Palestine election (at least not in near future) because one-state solution does not seem realistic to me. How do you imagine 2 nations that are fighting for the past 70 years to have a single shared state? Do you honestly believe that such a state would work? Do you think there would be any culture in such parliament?
Hence why I believe that more-realistic is a 2 state solution where both Israel and Palestine would have their own elections (ideally). However, even option will not happen very soon because currently the relations are worse than ever. Still, I believe this is more probable than a single-state solution.
And yes, I would definitely like to see what you know and what your view is because so far you have presented zero facts. So far now it seems like all you can do is insult people who do not have exactly the same opinion as you do.
You are resorting to name calling rather than having a substantive conversation. You invoked Godwin’s law. I looked at their comment history and didn’t see any racism at least in the first page or so. Yours, however is full of outrage trolling and insults hurled, accusing those who disagree of being chatbots or arguing in bad faith. I feel bad for your 8-year-old If you behave like this in real life.
Nah I just got tired of attempting to deprogram zionist bigots with essays explaining the reasons they were wrong. Go back further in my comment history and you will see me explaining apartheid, genocide, ethnic cleansing, history of the conflict, etc from the non-propaganda side of history (ie : not just instantly siding with Israel in ALL situations). For example (and I’m not sure if I have mentioned it here on Lemmy or elsewhere) UN resolution A/RES/77/25. Go read it : https://www.un.org/unispal/document/peaceful-settlement-of-the-question-of-palestine-ga-resolution-a-res-77-25/
Wanna guess what 9 members voted against it while 153 voted in favor??
The PLO and Hamas both tried peaceful civil disobedience and were brutally gunned down.
Repeatedly.
What options are really left for an occupied people? And before you answer, tell me how many slave revolts happened in the US and if they should not have done it instead trying to peacefully negotiate with their oppressors.
As to my attitude towards the jackoff that you felt the need to white knight for… I have lost much of my desire to try to turn those bigots around. They are a lost cause and too deep in accepting the propaganda fed to them uncritically. So I just call them what they are and tell them to fuck off like I would to any other bigot or nazi.
Good enough Mr. white knight sir?