I’m confused why Kotaku mentioning next gen in the title when Rockstar only commented on current generation PS5 and Xbox Series X/S.
I’m confused why Kotaku mentioning next gen in the title when Rockstar only commented on current generation PS5 and Xbox Series X/S.
Because they’re still referring to PS5 and XSX as “next gen”, which is ridiculous this far into a generation. I’m glad even their own commenters are calling that out.
It almost seems like a bait and I fell for it 🫣
The only reason I clicked on the article is because I thought next gen launching late 2025 with GTA6. Ps5 came out over 3 years ago so 4 year generation sounds about right.
It’s not the first time either. Time to pop Kotaku into the block list.
The last few console generations have been around 6-7 years, and this gen may be longer:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_video_game_console_generations#Console_generation_overview
Yeah, we’ve not had a generation run short for 20 years. Even then most last 6 years historically and I think people’s perception is skewed because Microsoft rushed out the 360 quicker than normal.
What would new consoles even be at this stage? They’re still fast, can do 4k, some ray tracing etc. and yeah they compromise on things but you need to spend more on a graphics card alone to get more on PC. The cost vs benefit isn’t there yet not to mention (anecdotally) the “general public” talk about current consoles as if they’re new, so I don’t think there’s an apatite or need.
The general public didn’t have access to them for almost 2 years. Ps5 and Series are functionally 1 year (maybe year and a half) into wide adoption.
A lot of games are still doing dual releases on last gen and current gen.
apatite is a mineral
I’m not saying it’s necessary but “some raytracing“ is very little, the next hardware refresh will be a lot more raytracing.
I think this gen is good for a while yet.
We’ve only just got to the point where games don’t run on PS4 any more.
Current gen has good SSDs, 16GB RAM, fast CPUs and 4K (or at least scale to 4K acceptably) graphics. Most stuff runs at 60fps (with an option to turn on the graphical wankery and drop to 30-40), and when it doesn’t there’s VRR to paper over the cracks.
The only area it’s really lacking is RT performance, and only nVidia are there right now. The pricing for cards capable of dropping old lighting paths entirely (e.g. for Cyberpunk Overdrive mode) is obscene. Frame generation is a red herring. It won’t make games feel more responsive. Only real frames can do that. We’re a long way from dropping traditional lighting.
4 years is the typical halfway upgrade, not a new gen. Gens are usually 7-8 years.
Nah there’s not rules for “gens” it’s all bullshit that could be anywhere between 3 to 7 years looking at wiki release tables. Now especially new generation is super easy to release as consoles are just PCs.
I didn’t say there was a rule for it.
Four years isn’t enough time for technology to develop and make a significantly more powerful console, that would be like buying a new 1100 dollar phone because they made the camera slightly better and the battery not as shit.
Consoles aren’t just PC’s, their physical architecture is completely different. Even if it was the same, I wouldn’t go out and build a completely new PC every four years because that would be a waste of money. I wouldn’t even notice a difference on most games.
We have no idea what kind of hardware will be released, tech can go through all kinds of spikes even if seems to have leveled out. So while I agree the next generation or even future generations for awhile after that won’t significantly improve in 4 years, I disagree with the sentiment. Also:
Consoles aren’t just PC’s, their physical architecture is completely different.
Lol, no.
They should switch to pokemon gen naming scheme aka 5th gen consoles.
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Not at all, there is no PS6 or… whatever Microsoft decides to call the next Xbox
XBOX 1NE Series X mark II
The PC version will come out with the PS6/Xbox whatever ports come out. Rockstar has figured out exactly how to milk the most sales out of their games
Xbox 2 maybe
The fifth Xbox being called Xbox Two is such a Microsoft move
My prediction is Xbox Series 360 or they might skip that and call it the Xbox Series One.
With GTAV, the original release was 2013, the next gen was 2014 and PC 2015 so I forsee it being the same and being even later.
The upside was that the PC port was really good at release and I’m pretty indifferent to if I pick this game up in 2030 when it’s actually a good value on PC.
Yeah I’ll take a delayed PC port over a broken one. It sucks but I’d rather wait
Not just sales. Rockstar is getting paid to launch exclusively on consoles.
Unless it’s either PS5 or Xbox exclusive (not both), I don’t think that’s true. Sony and Microsoft wouldn’t collude to prevent launch on PC. That’s extremely illegal, even for companies that are masters of dodging antitrust laws.
The most realistic explanation (IMO) is that Rockstar did their research and found that most PC players also own a console, and will very likely buy the game twice in the long run.
Or if we’re being charitable, maybe the game needs more optimization work before it can run well on the Steam deck, and they want that working before launching on PC.
By both consoles? How would that make any sense?
According to the Microsoft leaks, that would be 2028.
I’ll wait anyway. And I’m most definitly not gonna preorder after the mega fail that was the GTA Trillogy.
Personally, I might be done with the series at this point.
Did they not just put a lot of the vehicles behind a paywall in GTA V this year? If you previously had them, you were fine. You would be SOL if you didn’t buy them in the game before the update, though. IIRC some of cars were even stuck behind the GTA+ subscription.
I don’t want to buy a game, and then have to buy some of the exact same content again years later. They should have also told people that they would be paywalling the cars a decent amount of time before they went through with it, imo.
It’s not the end of the world or anything, but I’m concerned that this might be an attempt at starting a new type of profiting. This is worse than the horse armour from Oblivion. At least that gave you new models and textures.
“We’ll just sell them a game, then we’ll sell them the same assets in the same game years later!”
Just wait until it spreads to more game companies. I wish that there was a stronger push back when it happened. People are going to completely forget about it until it happens again.
With their current track record, maybe I’ll buy it after a decade haha
I just wanna play a good offline story mode. Hopefully GTA+ won’t impact it.
I just wanna play a good offline story mode
Me every time they shove mandatory online “features” into single player modes 🤬
Aside from R* Social Club being finiky if you’re offline, GTAV and RDR2 didn’t flaunt with the line between SP and MP, in my experience. Each felt separate and optional to the other.
I tried RDR:O since I got free stuff from Prime.
It was so desynchronized and laggy I just closed the game and went back to SP.Never played much GTAV (4 was the last good one as far as I’m concerned, at least so far) but yeah, I loved how RDR2 and RDR Online don’t force one into the other!
Turns out that people WOULD download a car and megacorps are profiteering on that too 😮💨
GTA trilogy wasn’t developed by rockstar iirc. That being said, pre-ordering games is a dumb move anyway since games aren’t finished when they are being released nowadays
And it’s almost like they cant run out of binary code + a license key to distribute.
And the preload period is stupid anyway since you will most likely need a day 1 patch anyway.
I think I got GTA5 for 5 bucks. I think I’ll wait for GTA6 for 6 bucks
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Lol this is how I do everything now. Starfield looked okay, but I won’t touch it unless it goes below $30. I do not feel like I’m missing absolutely anything.
I got it for free from Epic.
With that being said, I did purchase it for Xbox one when it first launched.
Getting it for free on Epic was how I played it. And honestly, it’s a fine game, but from the time it came out to when I got it, so many good open world games had come and gone it maybe didn’t land for me as well as it might have ten years ago.
I 100% know what you mean. The game feels old, but that’s because it’s a 360 title. It’s hard to remember that at times.
GTA V didn’t first launch on Xbox One, it launched on the 360.
Yeah, when it first launched on Xbox one.
Damn that 20% inflation
I’ll never be able to afford GTA 100.
You’ll also be quite dead before that ever happens, especially at the rate they’re releasing them now
As someone who games solely on pc nowaday simply because having other things to do, I don’t mind waiting even more so the chance I will get it on launch day is null.
Remember fellas vote with your wallet, do not get blinded by hypetrain.
Vote with your wallet. This shit right here dawg. That saying has lost its weight for some reason. Given there are a lot of ways that can be difficult or even impossible, but it’s still our best hope next to pitch forks and torches.
Cos people are consumerists. They buy things they don’t need and out of impulse to activate their dopamine and serotonin in their brain.
This is the apparent problem that mostly not most of the victim (consumerism) aware, especially those who have large amount of expendable fund, or someone who bored enough that they dont have alternative time consuming activity other than gaming.
Don’t even have an SeXbox or a Playstation… so…
The reality is that even if you are patient, this is complete bullshit.
cries in RDR1 PC fan
As someone who once was console player (ps1 - ps2), I can say console exclusive game have their own merit, however lots of thing happen, ranging from the source code is lost, to higher up management are fucking boomer (me as SMT fans waiting for PC port is miraculous, even Persona spin off released on steam is something, yet they milked it off right away).
Heck even if you had something like Hideo Kojima (starting from MGS V) or Toshiro Nagoshi (former RGG Studio head who made decision to bring some of SEGA games into PC and into the West, and the one who revived Yakuza popularity in the west), they released their game on PC too because they cared for their fans but somehow higherup may blocking those (Japanese back then did not view PC gaming as main gaming entertainment, only niche stuff fill these in for example Simracing, Self publish game, H-game VN).
Back to the topic, It depends on each of their own view, but for me I just game whatever I had and what I want to be fun. I don’t need to get pushed by someone forced opinion (e.g hype) to enjoy a game rather I just enjoy a media based on interest. (source: me who tried to enjoy NFS Payback, as much as the fanbase shunned it because its controversy and radical change, I did find some fun here and there, from my own playthrough I find the game is flawed and noticed that the Ghost Game simply did NFS by the book (or perhaps pressured by EA for profit) and thats why they could not flawlessly release NFS Heat).
Just wanted to give an opinion in the morning.
Yep. I never buy on launch. Just wait a few months and the price comes down, especially if near a holiday you’ll get a sale. Also the bitchfest about the game bEiNg LiTeRaLly UnpLaYAblE!!1!1 because of problems has died down after a few patches.
I’m blinded by the hype train, but with 2 kids and sole income my wallets to empty to pay for an 80$ game on release.
I’m not buying a console for this game. Pc gaming has gotten a lot bigger, I’d be surprised if they skipped it.
And unlike when GTA5 came out, now the XBox and PlayStation have the same CPU architecture as PC.
Still I wont be surprised since they’ve delayed PC since GTA3, but its still annoying
Yeah RDR2 was released on PC later even though PS4 and XBO were thr same architecture so I am not hopeful.
it’s not necessarily the architecture that’s the problem it’s just optimizations as you only have set hardware to optimize for on console as compared to pc
In the past first party exclusives were the incentive for me to get a console regardless of Rockstar titles, and they just don’t have the draw they used to with them getting ported to the PC so I’m passing on console this Gen. So can’t even double dip like they want me too because I wouldn’t drop hundreds to play one game.
Almost every AAA release has pulled the same trick for at least the last 10 years if not longer. Don’t announce the PC release until after the console release, that way some people buy the game twice.
Naturally. Rockstar likes to resell their titles no less than Bethesda. They will sell it to you on PS5 and series x/s, then again on PS6 and whatever Xbox will be around. Then probably Nintendo platform, finally PC.
This way they maximize the amount of times some people will buy the same game, each time with minimal quality upgrade.
Same as their previous titles. It’s not that they didn’t learn. They have the numbers and know very well what they’re doing.
imo buying a copy for one platform should entitle to play on every platform it is released on. The crucial aspects of the work are the same. adapting to different hardwares and making controls for gamepads and mouse and keyboard only plays a small part in the total effort. Also you can play with a controller on pc in most cross platform games.
As much as I theoretically agree, I can immediately think of two problems:
- The storefronts would have to communicate
It’s against their own interest to do this. Imagine you buy all your games on Steam because of the sales (although the creators of the game of course decide the prices, but still) and then play them on your Xbox. No profit at all for Microsoft, yet they’re the ones providing all the additional services like the actual game hosting, friends system, etc. It’s not much by any means, but it does add up. The money all goes to Valve. You could even buy the games via the Steam mobile app if you don’t even own a PC. Also, even if they were theoretically fine with this, even coordinating it would be a pain. Since you could put a game on the Google Play Store, the App Store, hell maybe even F-Droid, Epic Games, GoG, Steam, the Xbox Store, and the Play Station store, and I am absolutely certain I forgot multiple other options, all of them would need to be able to communicate and decide on if you actually own the game. This would be a logistical and technical nightmare.
- Companies would just sell mildly different versions and claim it’s a new game
You know how for example Undertale has a slightly special Nintendo Switch version where there’s… I can’t even remember, but I think it’s an additional boss. That’s just something small and cute, but let’s go with the GTA example. I have played about five hours of 5 and dropped it, so excuse me if this isn’t the best theoretical example, but let’s say the PS5 and Series X/S get the base game. Then the PS6 and new Xbox get maybe five additional cars and the game they’re selling is GTA 6 Expanded. Afterwards on switch (although by that time Nintendo’s new console would’ve released) you get blue and red weapon skins or whatever and it’s GTA 6 Switched Up. And then finally on PC you get the GTA 6 Ultimate Edition with expanded settings, better graphics, and maybe five more cars on top of those from GTA 6 Expanded. These are all technically not the same game, so you would not be able to claim them. Sure, you could argue they’re similar, but where is the exact line? That’s quite impossible to figure out - is it a cheated rehash or a mediocre remaster? Who knows
When I buy a new set of tires for my truck, I don’t get a free set of tires for my car as well.
no but if you wanted you could put your tires on your car
Yes, all tires are interchangeable, I forgot.
Maybe with the help of an angle grinder, but sure you could get those wheels on there if you wanted to.
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Tires cost materials and labor to manufacture, but digital games cost nothing to copy.
True, but you create a game for system A, it’s not going to work with system B or C, without additional work required.
Sure, but GTA 6 is 100% already working on PC. Not just because they develop the game on PC, or because they’re building on top of the RDR2 engine (which is already ported to PC), but because they planned to support PC from the beginning, and that type of engine work usually gets ironed out early during development or in pre-production.
I was just pointing out the flaw in your tire analogy though. TBH I’m not saying they should give free copies to people who bought it on other platforms. That’s unprecedented for giant publishers like this. But I am pissed that they’re delaying the PC version since you can be sure it’s a calculated plan to ensure PC gamers buy the game twice. They collected enough analytics and surveys to know that a significant amount of GTA5 PC gamers also own a next-gen console. It’s all very nefarious.
GTA 6 is 100% already working on PC
It runs on their specific hardware under specific situations, not any PC. I am just pointing out the flaw in your en-tire logic.
I actually have experience porting games and engines to consoles. If it runs on a development PC (likely Windows), they have the build system and platform layer implemented, which is the hardest part. Porting the content is also an important step, but really only for consoles, which usually have limited memory and power.
Typically the only problem with “PC ports” today is when the game wasn’t designed around mouse/keyboard, or when the devs didn’t make an effort to optimize it on consumer specs (although nowadays console architecture isn’t too different from PCs so there are more optimizations that work across platforms). Another potential problem is when the game gets a lot of last minute hacks to fix bugs in order to ship on a console and those hacks don’t survive a platform transition, then the publisher just tells them to ship as is since there’s no certification process on PC. Basically, the problems are almost always logistical/business decisions due to a lazy/cheap publisher.
None of that is going to apply to this game. Rockstar has always intended to ship and fully support PC from the beginning. They had the technology, the talent, the incentive, and the time to do it. The most realistic explanation (IMO) for the PC delay is that they’re trying to double-dip.
Valve’s steamplay already gives you access to win/mac/linux versions with one purchase so its not like its unheard of.
And pc always last because they can only sell it to them once and they’ll have it until steam/epic dies.
The continued use of Next Gen for what is definitely the current console generation does make me pretty annoyed
They’ve done it with every generation of GTA recently. It will probably not come out at launch, people will buy the console version, and then suddenly it comes out on pc a year later. We’ve seen the tactic before
Capcom cuntrags get me with monster hunter every time… They do the same bullshit and I hate it.
I got bullied into buying World on release, and then another time on PC :|
GTA V was 2 years later and it even came out after the next-gen release. But I waited patiently, I skipped any spoilers for 2 years and it was well worth it. Also, GTA has such a long lifespan that the wait really doesn’t matter
RDR2 with almost 2 years.
I can wait. Still have plenty of backlog.
Or I could play GTA5 and try to reach 1.5k playtime of loading screen :p
Well, that’s shitty. I’ll never understand why some of these companies are so dated in their thinking.
Money
Less QA work needed upfront, with the added benefit of selling the game twice to a lot of people when PC finally releases.
It’s not dated thinking, it’s profit focused.
I am not entirely sure that is “profit focused”. It’s profit on a real world situation, you said it yourself - less QA work which makes it able to release faster. They are only taking advantage of that fact. They would have to focus on not profit for it to happen any other way.
Why not just double the amount of QA testers and devs to make it in the same amount of time then?
They’re going for the double dip.
Because they know most PC gamers have at least one console as well, and they’ll buy it on release at full price, and then again on PC for the better gaming experience.
Cause idiots literally go out and buy a console , then get the game there, then get it again on their PC in 18 months and literally foam at the mouth all the while.
Remember these publishers are in an ouroboros style circle jerk with console makers. They move without giving a tug, and never move without getting a tug. They go console exclusive to boost console sales in the first year, use that time to continue to improve the half baked game, then release on PC with higher specs to reap the PC fans marveling at the higher graphics.
Honestly I do understand why PC gamers are upset. But this isn’t exactly news. They’ve done this with every PC port. And given the clusterfuck that was GTA IV on PC I’m fine waiting another year for a GOOD PC port.
Again I get it. But I personally bought a Series X when PC gaming was too expensive to get into so I take it that’s who they’re gonna go for as well.
I doubt waiting any amount of time would warrant the port to be good. See: GTA:SA
That was almost 20 years ago.
I obviously meant the recent remaster.
that is not obvious since most of us don’t count it.
Hah, good point.
With mods it’s workable
You mean the Hot Coffee mod right?
Heh. Maybe
The new one was amazing.
PC is always current gen. When will they learn?
they did a long time ago the game will be online only without a story
PS is always “millions of iterations of current, next, last, the previous, the one before that and the one after that” gen. I believe they have learned.
I bet its because console players are far more likely to dump their life savings into Shark Cards 2.0 in massive fits of hysterical FOMO, than PC players are.
Is this type of comment helpful for you? Are people supposed to follow-up with some comment about PC players are sheep and will be buy the game for consoles and then buy it PC when it releases there?
This platform war nonsense is tiring.
GTA5 PC players usually play on modded servers that don’t use shark cards. I think that’s what they meant.
Yeah, I’m unconvinced that PC players don’t purchase micro-transactions.
Good thing no one said that
Yes, my post was hyperbole, I should have been more accurate.
You didn’t address the topic though, are you just here to score points?
“Hyperbole” is just a euphemism for strawman. No one said PC players don’t buy shark cards. You made their argument look ridiculous by misrepresenting what they said. That isn’t a good faith argument to begin with.
I bet its because console players are far more likely to dump their life savings into Shark Cards 2.0 in massive fits of hysterical FOMO.
…isn’t an example what I would consider a “good faith argument” to begin with, but I do apologize if my responses come off as blunt.
I never said they didnt. But PC can be modded and exploited much easier than consoles can, Which can impact their sales of blatant bullshit ripoff micro transactions.
Can impact, but likely not a huge one. Just like how most people playing Skyrim are playing without mods, most people playing GTA games aren’t going to bother with mods and modded servers.
I’d rather mod myself game money than spend on MTX with T2.
And the majority of minimal tech literate gamers are nearly the same.
The likelyhood of a console player buying MTX and a pc player buying MTX is IMO more likely biased towards console.
There certainly are whales on all platforms but mobile doesnt count right now.
my friend, you need to have a nice refreshing bowl of chill the fuck out.
Cause you are literally just inventing narratives to be pissed about.
Just calling out nonsense when I see it.
Think of your family and calm down and stop getting irrationally angry at your own imagination
It’s OK if someone disagrees with you on the internet, you know. Your world isn’t going to end, haha.
Says the guy raging and inventing narratives to be angry at.
You seem just as angry as I am? Why else would you still be responding? Just downvote me and move on.
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What does PC piracy have to do with console sales?
They want a year of solid sales on consoles before they release on PC
Some PC sales are better than none.
Lol, every pc gamer I’ve ever encountered has to have the latest video card due to FOMO. The thought of only getting 59 FPS keeps them up at night, keeps them from playing the games they’ve already paid for.
Wow, I’m amazed that you’ve met literally every PC gamer on the planet.
how many years did that take?
actually all it took was one discord call. they all answered
Obviously not, since I have no recallection of this, and have zero interest in the latest overpriced bullshit video cards.
well, we didnt talk to random idiots so maybe thats why
we didnt talk to random idiots
every gamer on the planet
So what’s the truth
his username. look at it
Why would you buy GTA 6 after 5 became a live service game? Fuck rockstar.
I mean, if the single player is still good, which 5’s was too imo
Support bullshit and you’ll eventually get what you supported.
When GTA loses its single player or riddles it with more mtx and live service crap, you’ll only have yourself to blame for continuing to buy their crap.
So, in order to maybe not want to play future GTA titles in some theoretical future, you shouldn’t play current GTA titles in order to discourage Rockstar from releasing these theoretical games?
The logic doesn’t add up here, haha.
All titles. Not just GTA.
Every live service game that makes money helps establish an industry standard. I’d rather Rockstar go out of business and have no GTA games if it means sending that message.
“Live service” games have existed almost as long as gaming has been around, so I doubt that message is going to be sent anytime soon.
So long as people like you keep on buying their games, the trend will continue.
the trend will continue because people like live service games
If you buy a SP game and they add MTX after thr fact, did you support the implementation of MTX?
If we get a SP campaign and don’t play MP it will certainly be reflected in their data.
And believe: They will abso-fucking-lutely track the telemetry data out of it.
I am afraid they will make the whole game subscription based. You won’t even be allowed to own the single player experience
Source?
I don’t think he needs a source - it is a fear. And not an entirely unreasonable one. Hell, car companies are chasing subscription payments for seat warmers in actual cars… the guy is a bastion of sanity.
GTA V’s single player was worth $60 even if it never got any DLC. I don’t touch GTA online.
If it hadn’t been for reddit, I wouldn’t have been aware that there was an online mode.
The amount of work and passion Rockstar brings into their single player experiences is by far worth the money. Bethesda needs to take a lesson from them.
Yes, they milk the multiplayer online experience for as much as they can get, but they are still working on new games in the meantime.
honestly not a lot of people care game is still fun
