• capital@lemmy.world
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    So weird seeing people carry water for Hamas. It blows my mind.

    After learning that there were indeed fighters, weapons, and tunnels just like Israel said, contrary to what a certain popular news outlet said.

    If Israel rolled up without any opposition, no one would have died.

    Now imagine what would happen to civilians if Hamas were allowed to roll up on an Israeli hospital unobstructed (refer to the attack on Oct. 7 for more info).

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      The people in the hospital can’t do anything about what Hamas does and doesn’t do, as unfortunately within Gaza they can do whatever they want because they have the guns. Hamas committing war crimes doesn’t justify committing your own war crimes.

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        You had me in the first half, not gonna lie.

        Of course many of those people can’t help that Hamas is set up there.

        However, that doesn’t change the fact that places like hospitals can go from protected to valid targets when militaries start fighting out of it.

        That’s exactly what Israel said was happening which was doubted by many in the fediverse and other lefty spaces (I count myself as a lefty for whatever that’s worth). Now we have receipts.

        Hamas is fully responsible for the endangering those people.

        If there’s ever another election there hopefully people remember this and don’t elect them again.

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          A hospital (in operation) is never a valid target. Even if Hamas fighters are in there. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

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            You’re wrong.

            Legitimate military targets include: armed forces and persons who take part in the fighting; positions or installations occupied by armed forces as well as objectives that are directly contested in battle; military installations such as barracks, war ministries, munitions or fuel dumps, storage yards for vehicles, airfields, rocket launch ramps, and naval bases.

            https://web.archive.org/web/20090925191155/http://www.crimesofwar.org/thebook/legit-military-target.html

            Hamas put those people and babies in danger when they set up barracks and munitions there.

            You don’t get to just shoot shit out of a hospital and expect the opposing force to sit there with their thumb up their ass.

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              I’ll remember this next time you’re in any kind of hostage situation. I’ll tell the cops to fire away, you’re obviously cool with it.

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                  And what do you suppose the doctors and immobile patients and anyone else stuck in the hospital do? Kindly ask Hamas to leave? They’re stuck, and for all intents and purposes are hostages of Hamas, as basically everyone in the Gaza strip has been for decades because they’re not allowed to leave.

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                  That’s true, that’s why IDF is so reckless with their bombing, completely ignore the safety of the hostage.

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      Now imagine what would happen to civilians if Hamas were allowed to roll up on an Israeli hospital unobstructed (refer to the attack on Oct. 7 for more info).

      Simple. They shell their own people alongside the terrorist.

      While there’s definitely Hamas supporter and anti-jew around, when people call for humanitarian ceasefire and stop attacking hospital, they aren’t supporting Hamas, but somehow it got included into one because that doesn’t fulfill some people’s agenda and believe, and the same people will instead carry water for IDF and Netanyahu, the force and people who disproportionately attack Gaza as a retaliation for 7th October attack, collective punish the people of Gaza and displaced millions, attacking media because they didn’t show the same perspective as them, literally murder journalist that tend to publish unfavourable news against Israel, establish illegal settlement in West Bank using far right terrorist, using disproportionate force to disperse Palestinian protestor, arrest Israeli politician that criticise them, shoot a child with live bullet to disperse protest, arrest Palestinian without reason, treat Palestinian in a way that basically fit ACAB, deliver luggage-full of cash to Hamas leader, so on and so forth. Aren’t your mind blown? Or is that not an issue because one side is clearly evil so the other side should be okay to conduct evil?

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      No, if the IDF were allowed to roll up with no opposition, people would still have died. They want to ethnically cleanse Gaza, Hamas just gives them a “good” excuse to do so. If it weren’t for the 10/7 attack they would just maintain the status quo of shooting children for throwing rocks and making it hard to get aid into Gaza

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          No, it’s just observation based on the last few decades of Israeli terrorism and genocide and imperialism. How else do you explain the horrific numbers of civilians killed by the IDF, during both peace time and war?

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            First explanation: Hamas is lying. Just as as they did before. Second explanation: There’re two fucking million people there, and Hamas is actively trying to kill them, which is way easier than killing IDF soldiers.

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              I see, IDF hasn’t been murdering civilians en masse, it’s just a big conspiracy to make them look bad! Thank you for the explanation :3

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      You’re right, the Palestine people should just let themselves be oppressed by the state of Israel. Now that the country has been bombed for over a month, they should welcome IDF soldiers with open arms. /s