The 18-year-old high school student said she unzipped her hoodie to show she had breasts after a Buffalo Wild Wings server didn't believe she is a woman.
I voted for Kamala. Do I get to criticize the republican nazis and democrat asskissers and pushover cosplaying liberals letting all this happen? Or is this the part where you tell me that any criticism of Democrats is evil and wrong and I need to commit to supporting Gavin Newsom three years in advance or I’m exactly as bad as MAGA?
Do you realize how small a percentage this actually is?
Only 33% of the pop lives in swing states, only about half of those are Democrats, only about 2% are defectors. You are bitching about 1/3 of 1% of the pop.
What we’re seeing here is multiple layers of cowardice. Too cowardly to vote for what you actually believe in, and then too cowardly to go engage with actual Trump voters, so instead you hang around here trying to bully progressives into toeing the party line of a party that doesn’t represent them.
Incidentally,
But whatever helps you sleep at night.
I’ve started noticing a pattern with these “don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos” posts, where they almost always finish with a stock guilt-trip phrase like this, or “I hope you’re happy” or similar, and not just on Lemmy. And I don’t mean every now and then, I mean like, I see these posts formatted the same way regularly, often in threads that are barely relevant to it. Basically, I’m pretty sure that there’s a bot farm posting these messages on behalf of someone trying to maintain the two-party system.
I’m not sure it necessarily stands to reason that they’d be a conservative or Russian specifically, unless they ran the numbers and concluded that all this “I hope you’re happy with what you did, you Nazi” vitriol would turn people away from the Democratic Party far more than it would whip them into line.
See? They’re virtually identical the way they all end with the same collection of snide jabs, even when it’s (ostensibly) a different poster. They do it again later this thread. It’s so stark once you notice it, because you don’t see this pattern with any other political topic.
PSML. STILL following the same pattern three (actually four) times in a row, in a discussion about how all these two-party advocates keep ending all their posts with the exact same set of short one-liner jabs.
You couldn’t have given yourself away more if you’d written a poem about presidents visiting the beach.
Politicians are not entitled to votes, they earn votes. This is completely on the DNC for nominating another loser candidate with a platform of “I’m not Trump.” If we keep holding our nose and voting for the lesser evil they have no reason to change. Our votes are our only leverage.
Maybe check your facts and stop spreading disinformation to cover for the abject failures of the DNC leadership and their chosen candidates. It’s not like we didn’t have two presidential elections prior to 2024 where the Dems lost or nearly lost to learn from yet they decided to lean into these failed strategies even harder in 2024 with very predictable results. It’s almost as if they wanted Trump to win.
I mean, “neatly lost” here is a disingenuous phrase for “won”. The 2020 election wasn’t even particularly close either, in terms of the Electoral College, which is unfortunately the only part that really.
I agree with you otherwise, so sorry for the pedantry. Dems should have definitely learned from the midterms, and they should have learned Biden was too old for a second term even before he announced he’d run again.
I’d say I hope they learn from 2024 but I doubt it.
Speaking as a leftist who swallowed my pride and voted for a fascist genocide supporter because for all her useless platitudes Harris was still a better option and I’m willing to admit that; go fuck yourself.
You want to know why people didn’t get behind Harris? It’s because her boss ran on rolling back the damage Trump 1.0 had done and then continued operating concentration camps on the southern border. It’s because time and time again even the radical Democrats have proven themselves to be feckless, incompetent, hand-wringing cowards who can’t be trusted to do the job they were elected for until it’s time to “compromise with Republicans” by inflating the defense budget and passing tax cuts for the wealthy. Harris would have seen her approval numbers falter and start rounding up brown folks no different from Trump, the difference being she’d have kept her mouth shut about it and so would the media until six weeks before midterms. Her platform was a gun and a nightstick with a BLM sticker tacked onto it, no different from Biden or Obama.
Biden put ZERO pressure on Israel to reign in their genocide in Gaza and Harris would have done no differently source the United States has effectively unlimited leverage in this conflict and they refuse to use it no matter which side is in office. I voted for those lying crooks despite knowing that, but I don’t blame a goddamn person for whom that was a deal breaker, it should be.
You know how Harris would have been different, she’d have been competent. She wouldn’t have tanked the economy with these ridiculous tarrifs, cozied us up to Russia, threatened and alienated our closest allies and trading partners or surged DHS’s budget to unthinkable levels, but the next Republican in office sure would have. The courts are packed, the Dems will always have a defector (just like mean old Joe Manchin), there will always be a convenient excuse why they’re so feckless and ineffectual and all electing Harris would have done is delay the inevitable by another four years. Acting like the US’ slide into authoritarianism which has been ongoing since the Wilson administration is anything new or aberrant to our current era is either wishful thinking or complete brainless ignorance of history. Trump isn’t the problem, Trump voters aren’t even the problem, this is the result of deep rooted contradictions in the very foundation of the Republic bearing their poison fruit.
All is not lost, others are getting organized, demonstrating, protesting, taking action. The only thing that gets us out of this is solidarity and mutual support but by all means, sit on your ass and continue to point fingers at others you’d seek to blame, because they were wrong and that’s all that matters right?
OK. Good for you. Doesn’t change the fact that your counterparts didn’t.
BTW, how’s your view of DC? Looks pretty occupied nto me.
Edit: Solidarity? Haha that’s rich. Leftists stayed home. 42% of Hispanics voted for their deportation. Over 50% of white women voted to become broodmares. A sizable amount of Muslims and LGBTQ voted for their own deportation and rights be rescinded.
The only group that actually stayed the course was Black Women.
So you can take that Solidarity talk and shove it right up your ass.
So let me ask you something then, if it’s every group you’ve mentioned at fault for voting wrong or being insufficiently engaged what in the actual fuck are you hoping to accomplish by assigning blame beyond stoking your own ego?
It sounds to me like the leftist bogeyman you’re so eager to pin all this on didn’t have nearly the impact you claimed elsewhere in the thread, or is this still their fault in an election where the Republicans managed to take the popular vote?
“Leftists stayed home”, so are protest voters the reason Harris lost or is it the fact she was a hypocritical liar with a decades long career propping up the prison industrial complex? She goes on Charlemagne Tha God’s podcast laughing and joking that she never inhaled meanwhile nearly two thousand people were imprisoned on her orders for marijuana related offenses.
“Though she defended marijuana’s use for medicinal purposes as district attorney, her prosecutors in San Francisco convicted more than 1,900 people on cannabis-related offenses.”
I’m not sure how you’re able to type with your head rammed so far up your own ass but if you manage to get some fresh air you should realize that no amount of celebrities at the DNC is going to make up for the liberal establishment’s failures on every single issue that matters. By the way, why the actual fuck didn’t Obama push for codification of Roe? Why the hell did the entire blue team roll over for McConnell and allow the Republicans to stall Merrick Garland’s supreme court nomination? Speaking of Garland why didn’t that spineless coward prosecute Trump when he had the chance? Because they’re complicit, we’re already seeing the presumptive nominee sprint to the right on every single issue that matters to progressives, if our vote actually made a difference the Democrats would actually do something to earn it but we make such a convenient scapegoat when they lose don’t we?
Virtue signal all you want but it won’t change the fact that ANY OPTION was more stable than Trump and when American needed people like you, you failed.
Bringing better candidates only works when the system works and this system was teetering on the brink of collapse that we didn’t have time to do “purity tests” that the left does constantly for its candidates.
But I’m sure the LGBTQ community appreciates your concern for Gaza. ;)
Edit: Fun fact, Medicaid funding is primarily what Foster kids use for services. It would be a shame if that was slashed by a trillion.
But I will concede this, if the left is so adamant about being right, then they’d better fucking show up for Mamdani in New York considering Adams and Cuomo are striking unholy alliances with Trump.
Liberals will be voting for him. Let’s hope the left is more than just rhetoric at this point.
Edit 2: Many of us groaned when she was even made VP considering her persecution of Black Men for minor weed charges. But she’s still a better option than Cheetolini or Couch Fucker.
Reminder that she was made VP as a reward for helping a dementia riddled corpse ratfuck an actually progressive candidate out of the primary.
How’s that Super Delegate system treating you?
“when American needed people like you, you failed.”
Shove your condescension up your hypocritical ass you self-righteous blowhard. You’ve no idea what I did or didn’t do to try and avert this fucking crisis and if you think for a moment that “people like me” weren’t and aren’t fighting for our goddamn lives and those of our communities you’re so ignorant it’s galling. Fuck you
Why bother? They are fucking lost causes and, frankly, too stupid to bother convincing (the Joe Rogans, Kevin Sorbos, Adam Corrollas, Joel Olsteins and the likes). Yes, most white men are worthless imbeciles who aren’t worth counting on for cleaning shit in a toilet, let alone accountability.
I’ll be honest. When I get service done in my home, if it’s a white male and especially a young white male, I cringe and expect shitty work and shortcuts.
I blame everyone else because I expected better of everyone else. I don’t expect anything of these white maga male shit stains as they have been a fucking nuscience towards progress since the Reconstruction failed.
As it turned out, the people who withheld their vote for Kamala over the genocide didn’t actually matter in the election. Had every one of them voted for Kamala, I’m not aware of a single state that would’ve flipped. Not even Michigan
It pisses off both sides of the rift, but the genocide didn’t matter in terms of the election. Those not voting for Kamala over Gaza don’t get any credit/blame for Trump winning. ETA: I’d say they get to claim a moral victory for whatever that’s worth.
On the other hand, those who withheld their vote and are hoping the consequences of the election are going to teach the DNC or anyone a lesson are going to be sorely disappointed. No matter how passionate individuals are about the issue, the electorate gave it a collective shrug to absolutely no one’s surprise. Nothing is going to change about our Israel policy as a result of Trump’s victory.
Some day, our acceptance of the genocide is going to be seen as just as shameful as Clinton’s opposition to gay marriage and support of DA/DT. But not today. Fighting about it is just arguing with each other over scraps while the real enemy runs the kitchen.
So, I was alive when DA/DT went into effect, not sure how many people here were. The interesting thing is that as much as it was a cruel and unnecessary policy and in hindsight is completely indefensible, it actually was a step forward for gay rights. Before that the policy was you absolutely would be asked, and if you didn’t tell, you could be charged with a crime. People lost their pensions and got discharged with no benefits just for being gay. Moreover, I honestly don’t think it would have been possible at the time to get a more sensible policy through, because all the usual suspects were absolutely losing their minds about the baby step that it was.
I’m not a Bill Clinton apologist, but I kind of think he deserves a pass on that one. It’s really hard to explain how quickly the ground shifted on that issue from the 90s to the 2010s. Clinton kind of stuck his neck out for progress, as imperfect as it was.
I agree with you. Maybe that came across as anti-Clinton. In my defense, I’ve always detested the Clintons and have little interest in spending words making him look better.
I do appreciate you pointing that out. It’s a valuable lens to look back with. Still, from our perspective today, shameful, even if necessary.
what is it about losing that makes you so upset? if harris wanted to win she’d have stopped SUPPORTING A GENOCIDE.
I did not vote for anyone who supported genocide.
Why the fuck are you ok with it? there is no such thing as a thrown away vote, only recalcitrance from people who won’t admit they’re ok voting for someone who fucking supports genocide. Go fuck yourself.
It’s always amazing to me how people will blame those that couldn’t stomach voting for a pro-genocide candidate, instead of blaming the candidate for being pro-genocide.
I don’t blame those who didn’t vote for Kamala for her stance on Israel, I get it. I’m just tired of people who didn’t vote specifically against Trump then act really surprised that the Democrats are putting up an anemic defense of our rights, because in theory they should have expected it, given how they voted. Asking why Democrats aren’t stopping fascism when you ostensibly did not support them because you felt they would not do enough to stop fascism should be readily apparent.
I am not using “you” here as in you, piefood, just as a general you
I get what your saying, and to some extent I agree. But I also don’t think that they would be fighting fascism if they had more power. When they were the majority, they spent their time building up the systems that the fascists are using. They built up the surveillance state, immigration control, torture programs and the police/military powers. They should have spent their time dismantling it, but the Democratics have the mindset of “It’s OK when the Blue Team does these things. Surely the Red Team won’t use that against us!”
Fucking morons complain about the stranglehold that the Israel lobby has on this country, yet cannot understand how outright support for Palestine, in 2023-2024 would have completely sank any presidential campaign.
Trump voters voted for Trump. You really need to get out of your bubble and talk to them, instead of regarding them as some sort of immutable force like the weather.
Right. We had 15 months of weaponizing and covering for Israel’s ethnic cleansing during Biden’s term, but its the guy who criticizes him and his replacement that’s the “Nazi supporter.” Your comments are indistinguishable from a MAGA sycophant and you can’t even see it.
One of the lessons of the crimes of the Nazis is that the road to Hell is paved with The Greater Good. The Nazis themselves believed that all their crimes were necessary for the betterment of society. They thought though their actions were regrettable, it was the only choice they really had. Killing millions was the lesser of two evils.
You have more in common with the Nazis than you would like to believe. There’s very little you cannot justify when you have no red lines and you’ll always support the lesser evil. The Nazis themselves thought they were supporting the lesser evil.
Lol. You didn’t vote period. So you don’t deserve a say in anything going forward.
Once again, tankie. How’s Gaza looking? Because of people like you, I’d say pretty fucked. Especially since you are still using the Biden genocide excuse to not take responsibility for Trump’s ACTUAL genocide.
It seems to me that they do know how voting works in America: If you keep voting for pro-genocide candidates, you keep getting genocide. Maybe one of the two major parties should try running an anti-genocide candidate.
seems like you don’t. i vote for the candidate that fits who I wish to win. marketing and propaganda have you thinking a 3rd party is a thrown away vote. Want to fix that? vote for someone who doesn’t support genocide.
Yes! Third party votes pressure D and R to change their platform and get those votes.
Even if you don’t think so, it still happens. For example, Socialists have been fighting for a minimum wage since 1910 (and still fight for higher wages today). They are the only reason for Democrats adopting a pro-labor position in the 30s. I could go on, but it’s all brand new to you, you’d lose your mind. Baby steps.
It’s not an “electoral victory”; laws made by the major parties make this virtually impossible federally. However, their influence is still felt and makes changes.
For example, Greens have been fighting tooth and nail for environmental concerns since the 1980s; they pulled many votes, and viola! Now it’s part of the Democratic platform. Libertarians fought tooth and nail for marijuana reform since the 1970s, pulling votes… Ds want those votes! Viola, many Ds have incorporated this into their platform today. Socialists have been fighting for labor since at least 1910, and viola! This was incorporated into Democratic platform in 1930s.
Our major parties don’t give them an ounce of credit, but even a few thousand votes gets their attention.
republican nazis and democrat asskissers and pushover cosplaying liberals let all this happen.
Still pretending like you leftists didn’t directly help lead the country to a shit hole by your Jill Stein votes or your non-votes?
Leftists? How’s Gaza looking? Your inaction is why they will be starved to death.
But whatever helps you sleep at night.
I voted for Kamala. Do I get to criticize the republican nazis and democrat asskissers and pushover cosplaying liberals letting all this happen? Or is this the part where you tell me that any criticism of Democrats is evil and wrong and I need to commit to supporting Gavin Newsom three years in advance or I’m exactly as bad as MAGA?
Do you realize how small a percentage this actually is?
Only 33% of the pop lives in swing states, only about half of those are Democrats, only about 2% are defectors. You are bitching about 1/3 of 1% of the pop.
I dunno a single leftist irl who didn’t vote for Kamala
I know quite a few.
You and I must hang out in different circles. Good luck gettin through to em 🫡
You know who’s to blame for Trump? Trump voters.
What we’re seeing here is multiple layers of cowardice. Too cowardly to vote for what you actually believe in, and then too cowardly to go engage with actual Trump voters, so instead you hang around here trying to bully progressives into toeing the party line of a party that doesn’t represent them.
Incidentally,
I’ve started noticing a pattern with these “don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos” posts, where they almost always finish with a stock guilt-trip phrase like this, or “I hope you’re happy” or similar, and not just on Lemmy. And I don’t mean every now and then, I mean like, I see these posts formatted the same way regularly, often in threads that are barely relevant to it. Basically, I’m pretty sure that there’s a bot farm posting these messages on behalf of someone trying to maintain the two-party system.
Exactly. At this point, anyone still bitching about anti-genocide voters in the 2024 election should be assumed to be a conservative or Russian bot.
I’m not sure it necessarily stands to reason that they’d be a conservative or Russian specifically, unless they ran the numbers and concluded that all this “I hope you’re happy with what you did, you Nazi” vitriol would turn people away from the Democratic Party far more than it would whip them into line.
No people are just pissed at third party frauds who helped bury the country. But go ahead with your fake purity
Maybe people should be mad at the politicans who gave up fighting for their voters, and handed the victory to Trump
Maybe more than one fact can exist. Thanks for trump though
See? They’re virtually identical the way they all end with the same collection of snide jabs, even when it’s (ostensibly) a different poster. They do it again later this thread. It’s so stark once you notice it, because you don’t see this pattern with any other political topic.
Yes I’m a bot for speaking the truth and your brainless society murder is original thought. And soooo morally pure
PSML. STILL following the same pattern three (actually four) times in a row, in a discussion about how all these two-party advocates keep ending all their posts with the exact same set of short one-liner jabs.
You couldn’t have given yourself away more if you’d written a poem about presidents visiting the beach.
Your Russian trolling ass has been tagged. I won’t ever again mistake you for a serious person
Damn, even when you control all elections with gerrymandering and anti-third-party laws, you still blame third parties.
Meanwhile, here in the USA elections and law say it’s all due to our major parties. I guess you just can’t face reality, that’s sad.
Politicians are not entitled to votes, they earn votes. This is completely on the DNC for nominating another loser candidate with a platform of “I’m not Trump.” If we keep holding our nose and voting for the lesser evil they have no reason to change. Our votes are our only leverage.
https://www.npr.org/2025/06/26/nx-s1-5447450/trump-2024-election-non-voters-coalition
Maybe check your facts and stop spreading disinformation to cover for the abject failures of the DNC leadership and their chosen candidates. It’s not like we didn’t have two presidential elections prior to 2024 where the Dems lost or nearly lost to learn from yet they decided to lean into these failed strategies even harder in 2024 with very predictable results. It’s almost as if they wanted Trump to win.
I mean, “neatly lost” here is a disingenuous phrase for “won”. The 2020 election wasn’t even particularly close either, in terms of the Electoral College, which is unfortunately the only part that really.
I agree with you otherwise, so sorry for the pedantry. Dems should have definitely learned from the midterms, and they should have learned Biden was too old for a second term even before he announced he’d run again.
I’d say I hope they learn from 2024 but I doubt it.
Speaking as a leftist who swallowed my pride and voted for a fascist genocide supporter because for all her useless platitudes Harris was still a better option and I’m willing to admit that; go fuck yourself.
You want to know why people didn’t get behind Harris? It’s because her boss ran on rolling back the damage Trump 1.0 had done and then continued operating concentration camps on the southern border. It’s because time and time again even the radical Democrats have proven themselves to be feckless, incompetent, hand-wringing cowards who can’t be trusted to do the job they were elected for until it’s time to “compromise with Republicans” by inflating the defense budget and passing tax cuts for the wealthy. Harris would have seen her approval numbers falter and start rounding up brown folks no different from Trump, the difference being she’d have kept her mouth shut about it and so would the media until six weeks before midterms. Her platform was a gun and a nightstick with a BLM sticker tacked onto it, no different from Biden or Obama.
Biden put ZERO pressure on Israel to reign in their genocide in Gaza and Harris would have done no differently source the United States has effectively unlimited leverage in this conflict and they refuse to use it no matter which side is in office. I voted for those lying crooks despite knowing that, but I don’t blame a goddamn person for whom that was a deal breaker, it should be.
You know how Harris would have been different, she’d have been competent. She wouldn’t have tanked the economy with these ridiculous tarrifs, cozied us up to Russia, threatened and alienated our closest allies and trading partners or surged DHS’s budget to unthinkable levels, but the next Republican in office sure would have. The courts are packed, the Dems will always have a defector (just like mean old Joe Manchin), there will always be a convenient excuse why they’re so feckless and ineffectual and all electing Harris would have done is delay the inevitable by another four years. Acting like the US’ slide into authoritarianism which has been ongoing since the Wilson administration is anything new or aberrant to our current era is either wishful thinking or complete brainless ignorance of history. Trump isn’t the problem, Trump voters aren’t even the problem, this is the result of deep rooted contradictions in the very foundation of the Republic bearing their poison fruit.
All is not lost, others are getting organized, demonstrating, protesting, taking action. The only thing that gets us out of this is solidarity and mutual support but by all means, sit on your ass and continue to point fingers at others you’d seek to blame, because they were wrong and that’s all that matters right?
Fucking shitheel
OK. Good for you. Doesn’t change the fact that your counterparts didn’t.
BTW, how’s your view of DC? Looks pretty occupied nto me.
Edit: Solidarity? Haha that’s rich. Leftists stayed home. 42% of Hispanics voted for their deportation. Over 50% of white women voted to become broodmares. A sizable amount of Muslims and LGBTQ voted for their own deportation and rights be rescinded.
The only group that actually stayed the course was Black Women.
So you can take that Solidarity talk and shove it right up your ass.
So let me ask you something then, if it’s every group you’ve mentioned at fault for voting wrong or being insufficiently engaged what in the actual fuck are you hoping to accomplish by assigning blame beyond stoking your own ego?
It sounds to me like the leftist bogeyman you’re so eager to pin all this on didn’t have nearly the impact you claimed elsewhere in the thread, or is this still their fault in an election where the Republicans managed to take the popular vote?
“Leftists stayed home”, so are protest voters the reason Harris lost or is it the fact she was a hypocritical liar with a decades long career propping up the prison industrial complex? She goes on Charlemagne Tha God’s podcast laughing and joking that she never inhaled meanwhile nearly two thousand people were imprisoned on her orders for marijuana related offenses.
“Though she defended marijuana’s use for medicinal purposes as district attorney, her prosecutors in San Francisco convicted more than 1,900 people on cannabis-related offenses.”
I’m not sure how you’re able to type with your head rammed so far up your own ass but if you manage to get some fresh air you should realize that no amount of celebrities at the DNC is going to make up for the liberal establishment’s failures on every single issue that matters. By the way, why the actual fuck didn’t Obama push for codification of Roe? Why the hell did the entire blue team roll over for McConnell and allow the Republicans to stall Merrick Garland’s supreme court nomination? Speaking of Garland why didn’t that spineless coward prosecute Trump when he had the chance? Because they’re complicit, we’re already seeing the presumptive nominee sprint to the right on every single issue that matters to progressives, if our vote actually made a difference the Democrats would actually do something to earn it but we make such a convenient scapegoat when they lose don’t we?
You’re a rube
TLDR;
Virtue signal all you want but it won’t change the fact that ANY OPTION was more stable than Trump and when American needed people like you, you failed.
Bringing better candidates only works when the system works and this system was teetering on the brink of collapse that we didn’t have time to do “purity tests” that the left does constantly for its candidates.
But I’m sure the LGBTQ community appreciates your concern for Gaza. ;)
Edit: Fun fact, Medicaid funding is primarily what Foster kids use for services. It would be a shame if that was slashed by a trillion.
But I will concede this, if the left is so adamant about being right, then they’d better fucking show up for Mamdani in New York considering Adams and Cuomo are striking unholy alliances with Trump.
Liberals will be voting for him. Let’s hope the left is more than just rhetoric at this point.
Edit 2: Many of us groaned when she was even made VP considering her persecution of Black Men for minor weed charges. But she’s still a better option than Cheetolini or Couch Fucker.
Reminder that she was made VP as a reward for helping a dementia riddled corpse ratfuck an actually progressive candidate out of the primary.
How’s that Super Delegate system treating you?
“when American needed people like you, you failed.”
Shove your condescension up your hypocritical ass you self-righteous blowhard. You’ve no idea what I did or didn’t do to try and avert this fucking crisis and if you think for a moment that “people like me” weren’t and aren’t fighting for our goddamn lives and those of our communities you’re so ignorant it’s galling. Fuck you
Right back at you with your Gaza virtue signaling.
Amazing how you’ll hold every group accountable except the group most responsible for electing Trump: straight white men.
Why bother? They are fucking lost causes and, frankly, too stupid to bother convincing (the Joe Rogans, Kevin Sorbos, Adam Corrollas, Joel Olsteins and the likes). Yes, most white men are worthless imbeciles who aren’t worth counting on for cleaning shit in a toilet, let alone accountability.
I’ll be honest. When I get service done in my home, if it’s a white male and especially a young white male, I cringe and expect shitty work and shortcuts.
I blame everyone else because I expected better of everyone else. I don’t expect anything of these white maga male shit stains as they have been a fucking nuscience towards progress since the Reconstruction failed.
As it turned out, the people who withheld their vote for Kamala over the genocide didn’t actually matter in the election. Had every one of them voted for Kamala, I’m not aware of a single state that would’ve flipped. Not even Michigan
It pisses off both sides of the rift, but the genocide didn’t matter in terms of the election. Those not voting for Kamala over Gaza don’t get any credit/blame for Trump winning. ETA: I’d say they get to claim a moral victory for whatever that’s worth.
On the other hand, those who withheld their vote and are hoping the consequences of the election are going to teach the DNC or anyone a lesson are going to be sorely disappointed. No matter how passionate individuals are about the issue, the electorate gave it a collective shrug to absolutely no one’s surprise. Nothing is going to change about our Israel policy as a result of Trump’s victory.
Some day, our acceptance of the genocide is going to be seen as just as shameful as Clinton’s opposition to gay marriage and support of DA/DT. But not today. Fighting about it is just arguing with each other over scraps while the real enemy runs the kitchen.
So, I was alive when DA/DT went into effect, not sure how many people here were. The interesting thing is that as much as it was a cruel and unnecessary policy and in hindsight is completely indefensible, it actually was a step forward for gay rights. Before that the policy was you absolutely would be asked, and if you didn’t tell, you could be charged with a crime. People lost their pensions and got discharged with no benefits just for being gay. Moreover, I honestly don’t think it would have been possible at the time to get a more sensible policy through, because all the usual suspects were absolutely losing their minds about the baby step that it was.
I’m not a Bill Clinton apologist, but I kind of think he deserves a pass on that one. It’s really hard to explain how quickly the ground shifted on that issue from the 90s to the 2010s. Clinton kind of stuck his neck out for progress, as imperfect as it was.
I agree with you. Maybe that came across as anti-Clinton. In my defense, I’ve always detested the Clintons and have little interest in spending words making him look better.
I do appreciate you pointing that out. It’s a valuable lens to look back with. Still, from our perspective today, shameful, even if necessary.
you should really read up on who voted for rfk jr and jill stein it was all conservatives,.
That wasn’t leftists, that was just narcissists enjoying the smell of their own feces.
They down vote because they can’t defend their alliance with the right. Can’t tell them apart from the right most days. Always the same vibes.
Pretty much.
what is it about losing that makes you so upset? if harris wanted to win she’d have stopped SUPPORTING A GENOCIDE.
I did not vote for anyone who supported genocide.
Why the fuck are you ok with it? there is no such thing as a thrown away vote, only recalcitrance from people who won’t admit they’re ok voting for someone who fucking supports genocide. Go fuck yourself.
It’s always amazing to me how people will blame those that couldn’t stomach voting for a pro-genocide candidate, instead of blaming the candidate for being pro-genocide.
I don’t blame those who didn’t vote for Kamala for her stance on Israel, I get it. I’m just tired of people who didn’t vote specifically against Trump then act really surprised that the Democrats are putting up an anemic defense of our rights, because in theory they should have expected it, given how they voted. Asking why Democrats aren’t stopping fascism when you ostensibly did not support them because you felt they would not do enough to stop fascism should be readily apparent.
I am not using “you” here as in you, piefood, just as a general you
I get what your saying, and to some extent I agree. But I also don’t think that they would be fighting fascism if they had more power. When they were the majority, they spent their time building up the systems that the fascists are using. They built up the surveillance state, immigration control, torture programs and the police/military powers. They should have spent their time dismantling it, but the Democratics have the mindset of “It’s OK when the Blue Team does these things. Surely the Red Team won’t use that against us!”
it’s all decades of manufactured consent
Fucking morons complain about the stranglehold that the Israel lobby has on this country, yet cannot understand how outright support for Palestine, in 2023-2024 would have completely sank any presidential campaign.
neat. where have we seen that rhetoric before? oh right. a century ago.
israel is doing a genocid. trump is a fascist.
i can’t vote for either.
no rep or dem candidate ran that fit my moral criteria on those hard lines.
if YOU are ok with genocide or fascism, you do you and go follow your leader.
You voted explicitly in favor of Trump you fraud
Trump voters voted for Trump. You really need to get out of your bubble and talk to them, instead of regarding them as some sort of immutable force like the weather.
You admitted to voting for trump. A vote for third party was a vote for trump. We’re done here you Russian fuckin troll
No, it’s really not a vote for Trump. Those votes aren’t his, or Harris’s
You can tell because they count the votes and everything. Oops, I mean, everybody else can tell. Just not you.
how? lol. try again.
Russian fraud. Bye
If you didn’t support a genocide, you would have done something about it
and I am.
A fraud
Nazi supporter.
Right. We had 15 months of weaponizing and covering for Israel’s ethnic cleansing during Biden’s term, but its the guy who criticizes him and his replacement that’s the “Nazi supporter.” Your comments are indistinguishable from a MAGA sycophant and you can’t even see it.
One of the lessons of the crimes of the Nazis is that the road to Hell is paved with The Greater Good. The Nazis themselves believed that all their crimes were necessary for the betterment of society. They thought though their actions were regrettable, it was the only choice they really had. Killing millions was the lesser of two evils.
You have more in common with the Nazis than you would like to believe. There’s very little you cannot justify when you have no red lines and you’ll always support the lesser evil. The Nazis themselves thought they were supporting the lesser evil.
who? folks who voted for trump or harris? yeah they are.
Lol everyone but you and a few thousand people are nazis
Edit: third party morons can downvote this all they want. Voting against a semblance of sanity is what they’re good at
Lol. You didn’t vote period. So you don’t deserve a say in anything going forward.
Once again, tankie. How’s Gaza looking? Because of people like you, I’d say pretty fucked. Especially since you are still using the Biden genocide excuse to not take responsibility for Trump’s ACTUAL genocide.
But whatever helps you cope.
I find it very telling that you blame the person who couldn’t stomach to vote for genocide, instead of blaming your polticians for being pro-genocide.
thank you. well said.
? I voted but not for harris and not for trump. I don’t vote for genocide. try again.
So then you don’t know how voting works in America? It’s easily learned.
It seems to me that they do know how voting works in America: If you keep voting for pro-genocide candidates, you keep getting genocide. Maybe one of the two major parties should try running an anti-genocide candidate.
Thanks for the tag request
seems like you don’t. i vote for the candidate that fits who I wish to win. marketing and propaganda have you thinking a 3rd party is a thrown away vote. Want to fix that? vote for someone who doesn’t support genocide.
It’s not marketing, it’s direct experience.
Fraud
Yes! Third party votes pressure D and R to change their platform and get those votes.
Even if you don’t think so, it still happens. For example, Socialists have been fighting for a minimum wage since 1910 (and still fight for higher wages today). They are the only reason for Democrats adopting a pro-labor position in the 30s. I could go on, but it’s all brand new to you, you’d lose your mind. Baby steps.
Curious as to when in the electoral history of the US you think this has happened.
It’s not an “electoral victory”; laws made by the major parties make this virtually impossible federally. However, their influence is still felt and makes changes.
For example, Greens have been fighting tooth and nail for environmental concerns since the 1980s; they pulled many votes, and viola! Now it’s part of the Democratic platform. Libertarians fought tooth and nail for marijuana reform since the 1970s, pulling votes… Ds want those votes! Viola, many Ds have incorporated this into their platform today. Socialists have been fighting for labor since at least 1910, and viola! This was incorporated into Democratic platform in 1930s.
Our major parties don’t give them an ounce of credit, but even a few thousand votes gets their attention.
Your account is brand new and that makes sense.
You looking into my account makes sense, you’re one of “those” people.
Pushover liberals? Nah, you meant to say pushover democrats.
Because we have allowed impotent pacifist dipshits control the narrative for the Left too long, is why we are here.
democrats arnt condoning this, its all conservatives.
Some Democratic politicians flirt with the idea because they think it will help their chances to become president, like Newsom: https://calmatters.org/politics/2025/03/newsom-transgender-athletes/