this post was submitted on 19 Oct 2023
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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.

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INFO

A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions

Adultification

Cops aren't supposed to be smart

Don't talk to the police.

Killings by law enforcement in Canada

Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom

Killings by law enforcement in the United States

Know your rights: Filming the police

Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)

Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.

Police lie under oath, a lot

Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak

Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street

Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States

So you wanna be a cop?

When the police knock on your door

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[–] Treczoks@lemm.ee 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Cops do what cops do. Would be nice if the US had real policemen and -women, like civilized countries do, instead of just cops.

[–] ArbiterXero@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago

Missed dad-joke

“Instead of this cop-out”

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fucking gypsy cops. Police I ions should be banned, if you fucked up your other union job and killed someone you'd need a new career. This reckless idiot gets to keep hurting.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Can we find a better term? I like the 'gypsy cops' concept, but the word 'gypsy' is considered to be offensive by the Roma people it initially and still often describes.

[–] theotherone@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not bad. We could also do 'traveling cops,' sort of like 'traveling nurses' but with a lot more violence.

[–] waz@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How about "vagrant cops"?

I particularly like it because the definition I found online described a vagrant as "One who lives on the streets or constitutes a public nuisance" which is strangely fitting.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

And vagrants don't generally stay in one place all the time. It also turns the term back on them. Very nice!

[–] violetraven@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago

Carpetbagging cops

[–] Kite@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

Mercenary cops.

[–] DougHolland@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I've always heard "wandering cops." Makes me imagine someone having a pleasant stroll on a sunny morning, maybe whistling a tune, chewing a doughnut, looking for someone to beat up or kill.

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

USA, tactic of quietly relocate so far used for:

  • killer whales of SeaWorld

  • pedophile priests

  • cops who should be arrested

[–] Che_Donkey@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As he passed their trailer, one witness heard him shouting "leeeeroyyyyy jeeeenkins"

[–] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At least I got chicken.

[–] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago

America likes to recycle it's trash.

[–] PK2@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

America's most honorable heroes! /s