That said: fuck everyone who works for the TSA, bunch of useless dickheads who take out their anger on those trying to fly while objectively failing to catch basic security failures. Much like anyone who works for an insurance company: they can rot for all I care
Until working is optional I never blame the lowest in the hierarchy. I’ve worked some shit jobs of questionable morality in my time because I had to eat and pay rent and couldn’t gamble having a roof over my head on a better job coming along.
All airport jobs look shit, I mean that sympathetically.
If we want to abolish the TSA and move the money into a dramatically expanded AmTrak, I’m here for it.
But if you think the modern era of school shootings and abortion clinic bombings and J6 riots is going to give us a de-securitized airport system, I’d kindly ask you to pass me what you’re smoking.
We made flights more secure with the better door to the cockpit. The TSA part is equally effective as a metal detector is. It wouldn’t be less secure to not do the enhanced screening the TSA does. It would mean several companies lose out on massive contracts for that fancy equipment, which is why it won’t happen.
The TSA part is equally effective as a metal detector is.
You’re confusing the workers for their tools. Like saying I don’t need a mechanic to fix my car, just a wrench and a jack.
It would mean several companies lose out on massive contracts for that fancy equipment, which is why it won’t happen.
The government kickbacks to hardware supplies isn’t the reason you think TSA are being rude to you. And this stuff doesn’t get meaningfully less expensive when businesses buy direct.
Its the TSA employees that need to hear that, not me
I’m a fucking customer service rep in my normal job, I get that public facing roles suck. I walk up with my ID ready, ready to follow the arbitrary rule changes theyve made in the last few weeks, and use basic politeness even when they’re incredibly rude to my face
I’ll let them know the next time I get through security just fine that some internet stranger thinks they are all fuckwits. I agree they are useless but to just generalize every single TSA employee as a dickhead is definitely a choice
fuck everyone who works for the TSA, bunch of useless dickheads
Federal government creates a giant CYA department to account for their massive intelligence failure 23 years ago and now I’m going to be angry at the now-currently-unpaid 23 year old directing me through a metal detector so I don’t try and bring a gun onto a high speed high occupancy mid-air aluminum tube because she isn’t doing the REAL WORK of playing candy crush in a squad car like a proper police officer.
FFS, I’d argue that TSA is the most useful form of police officer currently on duty. I’ve been through my local airport a hundred times and I consistently find them to be polite, patient, and stoic in a way street cops never are.
because she isn’t doing the REAL WORK of playing candy crush in a squad car like a proper police officer.
Your words, not mine, fuck the police and don’t put words in my mouth
FFS, I’d argue that TSA is the most useful form of police officer currently on duty
You’d very much be wrong. While the cops aren’t great by any means the TSA consistently fails audits and has, last I heard, stopped an estimated 0 incidents of terrorism. Cops at least do have track records of stopping some crimes
I’ve been through my local airport a hundred times and I consistently find them to be polite, patient, and stoic in a way street cops never are.
I’m very glad you’ve had that experience, actually. Having flown out of 12 states and 4 countries: US TSA is the rudest and slowest of the security teams 99.9% of the time and it’s not even close
the TSA consistently fails audits and has, last I heard, stopped an estimated 0 incidents of terrorism
My coworker just got done negotiating payment on a $7000 fine for carrying a gun through security. She was not the only one at the courthouse for this kind of infraction. The TSA certainly seems to be catch some number of potential incidents. But one more notable consequence of the TSA (and contemporary international organizations) has been a sharp plunge in the frequency of airplane hijackings, which I certainly appreciate.
US TSA is the rudest and slowest of the security teams
As someone who regularly travels through Europe, you could not possibly be more incorrect. Italy is far and away the rudest. And I’ve seen airports from Korea to Turkyie get jammed up for hours due to their comparatively primitive security screenings. Had a domestic Japanese flight that ended up taking me four hours just to board, because of security delays. Taking the Shinkansen
from Sapporo to Tokyo would have been faster, despite going a third the speed of the plane.
The TSA certainly seems to be catch some number of potential incidents
Should have been more clear (oh wait just reread my comment and I already was clear on this your point is irrelevant): incidents of actual terrorism and not people forgetting something in their bag with 0 intention of actually doing something with it. They also love to take shit that should be allowed, too, because they’re thieves on a power trip
But one more notable consequence of the TSA (and contemporary international organizations) has been a sharp plunge in the frequency of airplane hijackings, which I certainly appreciate.
Not the TSA at all, that’s the air Marshalls and other increased security in the actual plane like hard locked cockpits
incidents of actual terrorism and not people forgetting something in their bag
You’re backing yourself into a corner, because you now seem to acknowledge TSA is doing something, you just think its a thing that only applies to “good” people rather than “bad” people.
And your rubric is contradictory. If the TSA stops you with a gun before you get on the plane, you get to say “My bad, please just let me off with warning” or they’ve failed at their jobs. But if you let someone with a gun onto a plane and then they hijack the plane, they’ve failed to stop a terrorist. How does a TSA agent stop a terrorist incident on these terms? Is the argument that the TSA is useless because terrorist attacks aren’t being thwarted at the moment the individual passes through the metal detector?
air Marshalls and other increased security in the actual plane like hard locked cockpits
Are additional measures that help screen for less-conventional weapons and strategies. But, again, we seem to be using “stopped a terrorist attack” as only happening after it has begun. TSA isn’t on board the planes, so there’s no way they can ever do the thing you’re giving Air Marshals and locked doors credit for.
That TSA as a first-stage screen reduces the number of incidents air marshals and door locks have to prevent as a last resort doesn’t seem to matter.
Fuck musk and fuck everyone Like him
That said: fuck everyone who works for the TSA, bunch of useless dickheads who take out their anger on those trying to fly while objectively failing to catch basic security failures. Much like anyone who works for an insurance company: they can rot for all I care
Until working is optional I never blame the lowest in the hierarchy. I’ve worked some shit jobs of questionable morality in my time because I had to eat and pay rent and couldn’t gamble having a roof over my head on a better job coming along.
All airport jobs look shit, I mean that sympathetically.
Eating and paying rent ≠ permission to be a power crazy dickhead just because you can (TSA workers).
They’re not the lowest in the hierarchy. They’re selling us out, like prison guards.
We can find a better jobs program than making air travel suck.
If we want to abolish the TSA and move the money into a dramatically expanded AmTrak, I’m here for it.
But if you think the modern era of school shootings and abortion clinic bombings and J6 riots is going to give us a de-securitized airport system, I’d kindly ask you to pass me what you’re smoking.
We made flights more secure with the better door to the cockpit. The TSA part is equally effective as a metal detector is. It wouldn’t be less secure to not do the enhanced screening the TSA does. It would mean several companies lose out on massive contracts for that fancy equipment, which is why it won’t happen.
You’re confusing the workers for their tools. Like saying I don’t need a mechanic to fix my car, just a wrench and a jack.
The government kickbacks to hardware supplies isn’t the reason you think TSA are being rude to you. And this stuff doesn’t get meaningfully less expensive when businesses buy direct.
Fun fact, when you’re a dickhead to people, they usually respond in turn. Stop being a piece of human shit and they’ll be nice too :)
Its the TSA employees that need to hear that, not me
I’m a fucking customer service rep in my normal job, I get that public facing roles suck. I walk up with my ID ready, ready to follow the arbitrary rule changes theyve made in the last few weeks, and use basic politeness even when they’re incredibly rude to my face
Abolish the TSA, they’re entirely useless
I’ll let them know the next time I get through security just fine that some internet stranger thinks they are all fuckwits. I agree they are useless but to just generalize every single TSA employee as a dickhead is definitely a choice
The reading comprehension on this fucking website I swear to god
Federal government creates a giant CYA department to account for their massive intelligence failure 23 years ago and now I’m going to be angry at the now-currently-unpaid 23 year old directing me through a metal detector so I don’t try and bring a gun onto a high speed high occupancy mid-air aluminum tube because she isn’t doing the REAL WORK of playing candy crush in a squad car like a proper police officer.
FFS, I’d argue that TSA is the most useful form of police officer currently on duty. I’ve been through my local airport a hundred times and I consistently find them to be polite, patient, and stoic in a way street cops never are.
Your words, not mine, fuck the police and don’t put words in my mouth
You’d very much be wrong. While the cops aren’t great by any means the TSA consistently fails audits and has, last I heard, stopped an estimated 0 incidents of terrorism. Cops at least do have track records of stopping some crimes
I’m very glad you’ve had that experience, actually. Having flown out of 12 states and 4 countries: US TSA is the rudest and slowest of the security teams 99.9% of the time and it’s not even close
My coworker just got done negotiating payment on a $7000 fine for carrying a gun through security. She was not the only one at the courthouse for this kind of infraction. The TSA certainly seems to be catch some number of potential incidents. But one more notable consequence of the TSA (and contemporary international organizations) has been a sharp plunge in the frequency of airplane hijackings, which I certainly appreciate.
As someone who regularly travels through Europe, you could not possibly be more incorrect. Italy is far and away the rudest. And I’ve seen airports from Korea to Turkyie get jammed up for hours due to their comparatively primitive security screenings. Had a domestic Japanese flight that ended up taking me four hours just to board, because of security delays. Taking the Shinkansen from Sapporo to Tokyo would have been faster, despite going a third the speed of the plane.
Should have been more clear (oh wait just reread my comment and I already was clear on this your point is irrelevant): incidents of actual terrorism and not people forgetting something in their bag with 0 intention of actually doing something with it. They also love to take shit that should be allowed, too, because they’re thieves on a power trip
Not the TSA at all, that’s the air Marshalls and other increased security in the actual plane like hard locked cockpits
You’re backing yourself into a corner, because you now seem to acknowledge TSA is doing something, you just think its a thing that only applies to “good” people rather than “bad” people.
And your rubric is contradictory. If the TSA stops you with a gun before you get on the plane, you get to say “My bad, please just let me off with warning” or they’ve failed at their jobs. But if you let someone with a gun onto a plane and then they hijack the plane, they’ve failed to stop a terrorist. How does a TSA agent stop a terrorist incident on these terms? Is the argument that the TSA is useless because terrorist attacks aren’t being thwarted at the moment the individual passes through the metal detector?
Are additional measures that help screen for less-conventional weapons and strategies. But, again, we seem to be using “stopped a terrorist attack” as only happening after it has begun. TSA isn’t on board the planes, so there’s no way they can ever do the thing you’re giving Air Marshals and locked doors credit for.
That TSA as a first-stage screen reduces the number of incidents air marshals and door locks have to prevent as a last resort doesn’t seem to matter.
Leave it to Weevil to be entirely unable to read