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In the US most students recite "the pledge of allegiance" every morning before school, which is kind of crazy. If you were in charge, what if anything would you replace it with?

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[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 85 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

can it be nothing. why not nothing

[–] athairmor@lemmy.world 19 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

And do the same for the national anthem before every fucking sporting event. I’ll be damned if I’m standing and praying to a flag at every summer swim meet that is already going to take 4 hours to get done.

[–] dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de 7 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

I never understood why Americans do that. For international events where the anthems of both teams are played, sure. But otherwise? Do you guys forget which country you are in?

[–] athairmor@lemmy.world 8 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

It’s an effect of the crazy religiosity that Europe shipped over before the country was even founded. So much nutty Protestant fervor has rippled through American society since then. It infected secular institutions over time.

[–] dfyx@lemmy.helios42.de 4 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Which makes it even more crazy to me.

I live in a very Protestant area in Europe. In fact, many of the Protestants who got driven out of France around 1700 have settled around here, so roughly a similar timeframe to the ones in America. And we turned out entirely different. Here, Protestants are considered the "technically Christian on paper but probably hasn't seen a church from the inside in a decade" kind of person while (some) Catholics are the conservative hardliners who want bibles and crosses in classrooms.

[–] athairmor@lemmy.world 3 points 4 weeks ago

Might have something to do with the fact that, in Europe, they had to live alongside other people. In America they had their little bubbles where the crazy could echo and become stronger. Combine that with the amount of opportunistic grifters that came to and were bred in America. The “land of opportunity” inspired an individualistic greed that was more than happy to use religion to feed itself. The Mormons are the classic example.

Catholics in America were a minority and there was bigotry directed at them. They were more inclined to keep separate—not so much now. In my town, the catholic school kids would have Catholic slurs shouted at them by the public school kids. These days the conservative Catholics are more or less allied with the evangelical Protestants.

[–] SolarMonkey@slrpnk.net 6 points 4 weeks ago

It’s part of the militarization of everything, and acts as patriotism propaganda.

Not only the anthem, but they usually have armed forces people, equipment, sponsorship, etc. and why it’s such a big deal with athletes don’t fawn enough over it (eg. the take a knee “scandal”)

Sports are a strong recruitment tool, being popular with men throughout their lives, and have been wildly taken over with military propaganda as a result.

[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 7 points 4 weeks ago

Don't even get me started. My high school didn't just do sports events, but they did the anthem or the pledge before just about every single event held in the building.

Cultlike behavior.

Actually, no. Just Cult behavior.

[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 8 points 4 weeks ago

How dare you propose freedom in the land of the free. No freedom for you! Not until you pledge an allegiance.