Elon Musk says no primates died as a result of Neuralink’s implants. A WIRED investigation now reveals the grisly specifics of their deaths as US authorities have been asked to investigate Musk’s claims.
Staff observed that though she was uncomfortable, picking and pulling at her implant until it bled, she would often lie at the foot of her cage and spend time holding hands with her roommate.
That is just incredibly sad. Those poor animals suffering for that megalomaniacs ego.
Although they were allegedly not treated according to laws, these animals suffered so future human trials can be conducted safely, not because of Musks ego.
Trials for what? Musk’s implant isn’t new or revolutionary this research has been going on for awhile. But because some egotistical asshole wants to do it people are like wow look at that.
Although they were allegedly not treated according to laws, these animals suffered so future human trials can be conducted safely, not because of Musks ego.
What a noble sacrifice they were physically forced to make, locked away in cages and hidden from the public eye. /s.
While we don’t know exactly what goes on in the minds of animals, we don’t need some fucked up, transhumanist vanity project to see that animals have pain, fear, trauma and self-preservation responses that are comparable to ours.
It’s no more ethical to torture animals in the name of bullshit luxury items then it is to torture children, but it’s just as easy to hand wave away that cruelty by claiming “oh their emotions aren’t as complex as ours and maybe all that screaming and crying and clawing at their face is just how they let other children know they’re having a good time”.
If you’re casually convinced it’s all worth it, you can fucking volunteer. Maybe there’s valuable discoveries to be made by testing what happens when apologism and “allegedly” is forces sideways down someone’s piss hole.
They still didn’t need to kill so many monkeys for that. Clearly taking the “move fast and break things” approach, leading to 1500 monkeys dead.
Entirely unethical. That choice is for musks ego.
It isn’t worth it. This technology asks far too much.
No no, I think that this person would make a great test subject. Since they clearly see the value that it brings to the rest of humanity, why not let them? Surely they aren’t a coward and would volunteer.
Surely. Any minute now.
Technology is ALWAYS worth it.
A chip in our brain is not necessary enough for animals to be literally sacrificed for “future human trials”
Go back to farming dogecoin or some shit
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Animal 15 began to lose coordination, and staff observed that she would shake uncontrollably when she saw lab workers.
These are conscious beings. Imagine being trapped in a lab where the next time you wake up you might not have full motor function?
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Don’t worry, in a few years, it’ll be humans who can barely make rent on their coffin apartments.
That’s heartbreaking. Imagine being trapped in a experimentation room with no escape. Everday’s just hell.
Animal 15 began to lose coordination, and staff observed that she would shake uncontrollably when she saw lab workers.
i hate that i can read this
I question the humanity of anyone who can read that and not be upset.
You can always switch your phone to airplane mode.
Sentient, maybe some limited level of sapience, but not conscious as far as we understand the term
And who are you to make this decision? Can I make that decision about you and use you for experiments?
I literally said “as far as we understand the term.” Sentience, sapience, and consciousness are not interchangable terms; they have vastly different meanings.
We as humans and as we have defined the terms do not label any other species as conscious as we currently understand the term. Consciousness is currently a uniquely human trait. It’s not my decision, it’s just what we know and how we’ve labeled things.
‘I don’t understand so it doesn’t exist’
I literally said “as far as we understand the term.” We as humans and as we define the term. They do not have consciousness based on what we currently know, and there’s very little evidence that they do based on what experiments we are able to conduct. I’m not saying they unequivocally don’t, all I’m saying is as we currently understand the term they do not.
At this point, who trusts musk enough to let him have control of their brain?
It was enough for me to read the first sentence and just not read the rest. It’s all a variation on a theme.
Your mistake is assuming the people who trust Musk are using their brain.
I mean, the same guy who’s other company’s car had a tendency to explode or run into people and things doesn’t instill confidence in me. Also, from a tech standpoint, there’s a lot of mistakes happening that seem to be happening a lot more since COVID.
This is nightmare fuel. Why is this allowed ?
One word: money
Yep, I kinda expect this kind of utilitarian villainy from Musk. But, seeing this happen at UC Davis is an eye opening view of just how corrupted by funding schemes US research institutes are becoming.
This is what happens when university leadership positions are filled with nothing but econ and business “educators”.
It’s america as a whole though. Everything has is berning pushed to private industry. America can’t even launch anything into space without the help of a deranged billionaire. America has fallen so hard.
Yeah, it’s real unfortunate. I work for a university hospital, who’s CEO is always supposed to be a physician. Up until about ten years ago it seemed to help the balance of public good against financial reward. Then we started to see a slew of physicians who went back to school for business management getting hired for upper management.
He is so fucked over this, animal experimentation is incredibly tightly regulated. primates even more so.
I’ll believe it when I see it. I doubt he’ll see consequences over this
We can only hope he pays for this. Or anything else he’s done.
Consequences for the rich in America lol
Didn’t they just get FDA approval for human testing on this stuff?
They did!
If you compare the regulations in the US to Europe, it’s not tightly regulated at all lol
Example?
This is how we create Mojo Jojo on accident
Wasn’t that the explicit goal!?
Unregulated God complex, and sickening leaves of wealth surely that can’t become harmful in any way.
It’s a feature, not a bug.
Unfortunately as far as I know it is pretty standard for monkeys used to test brain interfaces to eventually get infected because of it and have to be put down.
I’m not sure whether the same problems are as common in humans; humans are much less likely to e.g. yank on the implant, especially if the reason they have an implant is to work around some kind of paralysis. And humans are allowed drugs that animals are not.
This is messed up. It’s like something out of a sci-fi horror film. Have to hope no one is stupid enough to put a computer chip in their brains.
You know elon will try no matter what.
True…
Wishful thinking there but you have to know Elon fuckboys will definitely sign the fuck up for this
Imagine needing anti-virus for your brain.
The difference in comments here is between those who show compassion for the suffering of animals - and, by extension, humans - versus those who do not and view this as merely political theater in their unlimited support of Elon.
I think it’s a bit more complicated than that. This could pave de way to getting rid of a lot of handicaps and diseases, not to mention fdvr. I care about monkeys, I just care more about paraplegics for instance.
I think that we as humans put ourselves above all other animals a lot. But as animals with a higher level of awareness, I feel that we have a responsibility to treat all other animals with respect.
If someone thinks it’s justified to experiment on animals, I see it as their moral obligation to do everything in their power to minimize the suffering that animal will experience.
Also, if this technology could potentially help with handicaps (big X to doubt moment tbh) I absolutely do not want Elon fucking Musk to be the one who owns the technology, so I hope they hit his company with the book.
That knowledge shouldn’t be gained through the barbaric butchery of helpless animals.The research should at the very least be conducted in a manner that is respectful to the animals.
There is no reason for them to live lives of terror only to die brutally. Considering how much this technology could advance humanity giving them more comfortable and smiling lives during this whole process costs effectively nothing.
“Science cannot move forward without heaps.”
Hey everyone I think it’s a Futurama quote. Stand down red alert.
It is…
Yeah, yesterday the comment was negative because people thought it endorsed animal abuse. I was clarifying it was a quote. Thanks for the backup.
Not at the cost of humanity. Plus, that statement can be recycled to defend all the horrible inventions and experiments in the past.
Yeah by this rhetoric unit 731 was A-ok and did nothing wrong lmao
It’s like the start of a terrifying science fiction movie where things are about to go horribly, horribly wrong.
Many of them died after they heard about the Twitter rebranding. A spokesman said it was absolutely bananas.
People loving poopooing on Neuralink’s animal suffering because it’s connected to Elon, but this is a drop in the bucket compared to the suffering resulting from factory farming.
Whatabout
moronic comment.
12 monkeys were harmed in Neurolink, and you think bringing up the million of animals harmed in factory farming is a whatabout?
just admit you’re only seething about this because musk’s name is attached, and don’t actually care about animal suffering.
Sadly, it’s possible for more than one awful thing to happen at a time.
As true as your statement is, it’s not going to get in the way of people here hating on Elon to their fullest extent.
Clickbait headline, no tldr? That’s a downvote for me dawg.
Can you explain to me why exactly you think the headline should be considered clickbait?
Hmm. Are you asking in good faith, or to dogpile? Anyway, sure; I can explain why.
The Gruesome - clickbait because “if it bleeds it leads.”
Story - words like “story” are often plainly false when the article is a tiny blurb or fluff piece. Thankfully, this article is an actual story. But remember, it’s still bait.
of How - clickbait because it asks a question it doesn’t answer, baiting the headline-reader to click.
Neuralink’s Monkeys - oh, another Elon Musk altar. The press can’t get enough of Musk.
Actually Died - more bleeding leading.Headlines can just be content, rather than a tease. This article title intentionally relays no new info.
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The content of the piece is revealing, but yes the headline is absolutely textbook clickbait
