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submitted 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) by Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world
 

Poor one out for all your LGBTQ+ homies in America, they're about to be hunted for sport.

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[–] febra@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago

This is simply stupid. Harris didn't lose because of a few memes on her Gaza stance or third party. She lost because she's a relic of the same neoliberal system that has gotten us where we are. Not so say that Trump isn't. He is a neoliberal as well, and a fascist at that too. It's just that trumpists are more willing to go to the polls because of the cult-like party they're in. Democrats need to be pushed out the door with ideas other than ideas stolen from the right. Kamala Harris fumbled her entire campaign and it was obvious from the get go. I honestly do not understand how people thought she'll win. Hell, she even embraced the fucking Cheneys.

[–] StinkySocialist@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Blaming indiviguals for not wanting to vote for a pro-genicide candidate works so well. Totally helped us win 2016 and 2024.

Here's the real issue. The Dems would rather be moderate Republicans than actual left-wing candidates. They spent all their time trying to appeal to modern White wingers and modern right-wing are still vote for people like Trump instead.

[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I like how the Republicans are now simply labeled Trump. It's so fitting!

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[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago

Fuck all non voters. They will be regarded the same as Trump voters in the history books and are the same kind of filth as those.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago
[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Maybe you could say this if the election was close. But the Gaza-Isreal voters are a drop in the bucket.

[–] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yep, non-voters were a much bigger problem for Harris

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You mean "fuck you, you're voting for us, here's Dick Cheney!" wasn't the winning message for everyone that it was for centrists?

[–] RedAggroBest@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Even with them parading the Cheneys, I could understand a close loss after a week in the courts or just SOMETHING. Instead she lost so hard, she was conceding the next day. I kinda just gotta go what the fuck?

I got such a bad sinking feeling when they pivoted so hard right, but I genuinely thought Trump talking like a fucking lunatic might actually scare enough people into action and make it a close race.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

And the best part is that Democrats aren't gonna learn a fucking thing. They'll move even further to the right next time. If there even is a next time.

[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 148 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (97 children)

It really isn't leftists' fault, though. Trump easily won the popular vote and flipped georgia, pennsylvania, and wisconsin from their dem vote in 2020. Low voter turnout/voter suppression are the real culprits - along with dems failing to do almost any of the things that could've changed this outcome. Leftist memes did not lose dems the election. Voter apathy and the sheer popularity of fascism did.

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 55 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Leftist memes did not lose dems the election. Voter apathy and the sheer popularity of fascism did.

I'm not necessarily attributing blame here, but I'm pretty sure that OP is suggesting that leftist memes helped lead to this apathy. Say what you will, Trump voters were excited for their candidate... somehow, despite the list of reasons not to being far too long to be listed here. But many on the left either were just lukewarm on her, just considered her the lesser of two evils, or were protest voting third party or abstaining for one reason or another, mostly over Palestine. And there were memes galore to make clear to everyone what the general mood was. It doesn't exactly inspire enthusiasm to those that need that a lot of enthusiasm to even bother (those people are frustrating, btw). I don't know how much it actually contributed to or propogated the apathy versus how much it just reflected the apathy already there, but a case could be made either way.

[–] Sooperstition@lemmy.one 9 points 1 day ago

Kamala isn’t on the left. The democrats aren’t on the left. This is a false dichotomy. They’re all capitalists. You can’t be on the left and be a capitalist, so leftists had many more disagreements with Kamala than Palestine.

Now, if you want to look at a great analysis of fascism and the false dichotomy in American politics, read Blackshirts and Reds by Michael Parenti.

[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 6 points 1 day ago

It is on the candidate to inspire people. Yeah, the left was lukewarm to a candidate that was trying her best to court Republicans. How else could you expect that to play out?

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[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 66 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Hey, chasing republican votes didn't work this time, but I'm sure it will next time. Definitely don't try appealing to the left.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

As long as progressives (and correspondingly, everybody) gets nothing, we're good 👍👍🤘✊

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[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I am so sick about the Gaza rhetoric and that’s why we lost. Bitch less then 10% of voters give a shit about Gaza. 40% of voters have major concerns about the economy. The next highest concern was immigration at 20%. Foreign policy was a measly 8% of concern for voters.

This goes for people blaming Jill Stein voters. Kamala got wrecked in this election. Even if you add all 3rd party votes to her she still loses.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Look at Michigan. Nobody was going to ignore Gaza into a victory. The memes and posts were warnings, not divisions. When it became clear she wanted to take a path close to Biden most of us even laid off because it was clear it was more harmful to keep going.

But it turns out that asking the relatives of genocide victims to vote for someone who won't commit to stopping it is not a good campaign strategy. The divide in Michigan is well within the 140,000 strong registered voters in the Arab community.

Take your fucking L like an adult.

[–] GiveMemes@jlai.lu 12 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Ok, but like at the end of the day, Michigan didn't fucking matter... it was over the minute Trump won PA . Besides that, look at the demographics and how they voted. Young people, those most likely to care about the Gazan genocide, split the vote by gender for Trump and Kamala. Specifically young white and Latino men overwhelmingly voted for Trump. Is that supposed to indicate that caring about the genocide in Gaza, something Trump has repeatedly talked about amping up, is something that the vast majority of the voting populace cared about? No. Kamala got 14 million less votes than Biden did in 2020, and I'm tired of this same gaza, black woman, etc spiel. It can't be chalked up to these things alone. The democrats ran an appointed candidate that never would have won a primary on her own, and got the consequences of that.

The blame is not on Biden, nor is it on Harris for not caring about Gaza. The blame lies squarely on democratic party for not figuring out a plan sooner, and the 14 million voters that appeared 4 years ago when it was trendy, but not now when the threat is most grim. Not to mention the fact that not voting for Kamala when her opponent has not only stated that he will allow Israel to continue, but will actually ramp up their genocide is just fucking stupidity, no two ways about it. Just as we tell Trump voters not to vote with their feelings and to listen to rational arguments, we must tell left-leaning voters the same.

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