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[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 29 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No more arms for Israel. Then watch them return to the table.

[–] Fades@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

pretty sure the latest blow to the ceasefire and thus the latest to walk away from the table as you put it, was Hamas adding yet more terms, but okay.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/09/07/biden-ceasefire-gaza/

President Joe Biden’s months-long push for a cease-fire and hostage release deal between Israel and Hamas has been upended again in recent days, putting the deal on life support as U.S. officials say they are reassessing next steps after they initially hoped to present the two sides with a “take it or leave it” proposal in the coming days.

The latest obstacle — the abrupt introduction by Hamas of a new demand surrounding which prisoners Israel would release — underscores the frustrating, often excruciating process that has preoccupied top U.S. officials, and Biden himself, for nine months. At several recent points the United States, along with Qatar and Egypt, believed a deal was within reach, only for Israel or Hamas to derail the talks with new demands that set negotiators back weeks or months.

Obligatory fuck the IDF and Bibi and Hamas. Reminder that hostages and killing said hostages are also warcrimes, disgusting acts on both sides. No this isn't whataboutism, it's not an excuse but it simply is not just about the piece of shit IDF. Hamas has responsibility here as well.

[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They have no intentions of bringing about any kind of peace. Not even short term.

Other than of course, letting the genocide be completed.

They have several avenues to doing so. Legally and morally sound. They could shut it down today. But they won't.

They have the Leahy Law. Prohibiting the transfer of arms to any country credibly accused of human rights violations. The ICJ has already proven that much. And there is popular support by a wide margin not just at home but around the world to end this. It's the easiest win of all time. But ending it doesn't serve US Imperial Aims in the region. They want Netanyahoos "Greater Israel" to use as a base of operations to project force over the whole middle east. Once that is accomplished Iran will be invaded.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Was it the fact that's its almost been a full year since Israel started carpet bombing Gaza that clued people in?

It shouldn't take a fucking year of genocide to figure it out.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 0 points 2 months ago

Oh they know.

They know and they’re complacent.

What does that tell you?

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 12 points 2 months ago

Have we tried giving Israel MORE Guns and Ammunition? That might help Persuade them to Listen!

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 2 months ago

Biden, who is personally engaged in drawing the U.S. strategy, wants to continue pushing for a deal, but his advisors think a new proposal would go nowhere right now.

It's almost as though they're beginning to know something that's been obvious to the rest of us for the better part of a year.

[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io -3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Israel isn't going to make any deal which sees them relinquish control of the Philidelphi Corridor, and allow Hamas to rearm and recruit from Egypt in the same way they've been doing for a decade. It's a non starter. Folks still seem to be confused about this. It was hard won, they're not going to let it go, for good reason.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And we’re not going to accept that.

Genocide isn’t a “hard win” it’s inhumane, Israel cannot be allowed to steal the land of the people it’s killing.

[–] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win -3 points 2 months ago

Allowed. Psh. Ain't nobody stopping them.