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The news mod team has asked to no longer be a part of the project until we have a composite tool that polls multiple sources for a more balanced view.

It will take a few hours, but FOR NOW there won't be a bot giving reviews of the source.

The goal was simple: make it easier to show biased sources. This was to give you and the mods a better view of what we were looking at.

The mod team is in agreement: one source of truth isn't enough. We are working on a tool to give a composite score, from multiple sources, all open source.

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[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 46 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (12 children)

Keep it gone. MBFC and others are not a source of truth.

Adding multiple sources of bias does not produce an unbiased result.

[–] batmaniam@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

2nd. It's just not necessary. Frankly what's more off putting is the outright bizarre insistence on the mods part and outright denial of feedback. If the bot comes back I'm blocking the community, there are other streams for news.

Edit: didn't realize the "new and improved" bot is back. Good luck yall.

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I disagree. I often want to check the reliability of sources. And a composite would be great, because MBFC is obviously heavily flawed.

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[–] bzz@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago (36 children)

No one wants this bot. In the last thread asking for feedback there was an overwhelming majority that did not want it. You’re attached to it because you made it. People don’t want it. It happens. Stop it.

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[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago

Good riddance.

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago (9 children)

Why do you insist on fixing the bot instead of directing your energy elsewhere? Fixing the media bias bot to not have any bias is a fool's errand.

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[–] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Don't grade sources on leftness or rightness. It's relative. Aggregation doesn't fix the problem of Overton shift.

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[–] Five@slrpnk.net 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

Rule 1 Ban Count: 5

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  • @stormesp@lemm.ee (15 day ban)

Not a good look, mods.

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[–] fine_sandy_bottom@lemmy.federate.cc 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)
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[–] Five@slrpnk.net 12 points 2 months ago

The news mod team has asked to no longer be a part of the project until we have a composite tool that polls multiple sources for a more balanced view.

Thank you. It is often difficult to change course once it is set. I appreciate the !news team reaching out to the community and acting on their concerns.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

So if it's still showing up what does that mean?

[–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

the admin who manages the bot hasn't had a chance to disable it for our community yet.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

What if they say no to turning it off?

[–] JonsJava@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They said they would when they get to a computer.

[–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But what if they never get to a computer??? 😬

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[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

IMO no need for any bot. As long as articles are factually correct there should be no problem where they are from.

I know someone spent a lot of time writing a cool bot, but sometimes less is more.

[–] stormesp@lemm.ee 17 points 2 months ago

Seriously... i just cant understand whats the train of thought on all news related .world communities with this bot, its just mental. All that is needed from the mods is to take down articles that have demonstrated fake news / are factually incorrect. Not to write code for a bot that uses really sketchy websites as their reference.

[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

I liked it. Even a biased MBFC that is consistent in it's bias has value, as you can take the bias into perspective on interpreting the rating.

[–] Melody@lemmy.one 6 points 2 months ago (10 children)

Honestly; I think the "Negative" reactions to the bot are overblown and only done by a vocal minority who are sockpuppeting followed by a few people who are irrationally angry that the bot can be, GASP! Dare I SAY IT???!!11, Wrong.

Personally I don't find the bot problematic at all; and I think it could easily be blocked or ignored by people who find it too inaccurate. So I find it extremely disappointing that the mods are listening to the vocal minority about this.

That being said; I do understand why Mods want to make the bot more accurate. It's assessments and information can easily make obvious extremists and trolls more obvious to the naked eye; and can help people consume media with some grains of salt. More sources of data are good for accuracy.

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@lemmy.federate.cc 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Anyone who disagrees with me is a bot!

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 2 months ago

Love that they are actually using that reasoning...

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (13 children)

Sockpuppetting? You have any indication of that?

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