• misk@sopuli.xyz
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    Dutch ASML is essential to 7nm and smaller processes. US pitched in enormous amounts of cash in very risky R&D for EUV lithography so they have a say in how it’s used but I wouldn’t say they control it entirely.

    These things are too risky, complex and expensive for any single country/federation or economic block to be on the cutting edge. It’s entirely possible to pour money for years and come up empty.

    EU should pull as many strings as possible to have cutting edge production capacity within own borders in case of emergency but first we’d have to invest heavily in education of engineers and guarantee competitive salaries because it’s incredibly challenging work.

    It took Taiwan a generation to accomplish and even now their manufacturing staff is being poached by China because of economic pressures and likely state funded corporate espionage.

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      China has invested hugely in education and the engineering field, and it’s not like they’ve just been sitting on their hands upto now - of course they do industrial espionage just like everyone else but they also have absolutely huge r&d budgets and an absolutely huge tech sector.

      Honestly we should all just cut the tribal politics and work together to create technologies which can help avoid future conflicts -people use to say that middle East would descend into water wars by now but solar powered desalination has totally changed that, if we’d replaced oil already then America wouldn’t have needed any of the wars it’s been in for the last fifty years…

      Rather than every country in the world developing it’s own version of everything we should cooperate for a better future.

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      The brain drain is affecting all the worlds but until recently it wasn’t a big problem in Europe. Now, They all migrate to USA in hope of getting jobs at big techs.

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        They all migrate to USA in hope of getting jobs at big techs.

        Eh… It’s overrated. The pay is better, but otherwise it is definitely a downgrade. Maybe from east EU, it’s a decent deal, from west EU, it’s very disappointing. You basically end up thinking “but the money is good” over and over and wanting to go back to actual civilization.

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          That “money is good” fixes a lot of problems, though.

          I’ve heard that developers in US can even afford a house!?! Crazy, huh, I couldn’t believe it either…

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            I can live a luxury lifestyle in Spain on a budget that would be below poverty lines in the US.

            ‘money is good’ until it’s all gone in the blink of an eye and you have nearly nothing to show for it.

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              “luxury”, sure. Spain is one of the worse countries for high tech, with low salaries and still pretty high costs.

              ‘money is good’ until it’s all gone in the blink of an eye and you have nearly nothing to show for it.

              WDYM? Unlike Europe, you can actually save a lot for the future.

              This all is just one big cope. High tech workers in the US have it better than us. Tough luck, but it is what it is.

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                “luxury”, sure. Spain is one of the worse countries for high tech, with low salaries and still pretty high costs.

                High costs? The highest cost place here is Barcelona and that still looks like a bargain compared to your average tech hub in America.

                Also yeah, I do mean a luxury lifestyle. As in, almost all the perks you’d expect from a holiday package as part of a daily lifestyle.

                WDYM? Unlike Europe, you can actually save a lot for the future.

                Oh sweet summer child…

                This all is just one big cope. High tech workers in the US have it better than us. Tough luck, but it is what it is.

                I’m a high tech worker myself. Maybe we’re in different markets (I’m in cybersecurity) but it sounds like you’re being swindled.

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                  Also yeah, I do mean a luxury lifestyle. As in, almost all the perks you’d expect from a holiday package as part of a daily lifestyle.

                  If you mean those tiny, badly built hotel apartments/suites, then I have a different idea of luxury life.

                  I used to be happy with a humble lifestyle when I was younger as well, but now with small kids, I want to provide them better living conditions.

                  Oh sweet summer child…

                  Do you have some actual argument instead of vague condescending remarks?

                  I’m a high tech worker myself. Maybe we’re in different markets (I’m in cybersecurity) but it sounds like you’re being swindled.

                  In a way, I do feel swindled since my direct US teammates on the same level earn about the double of what I do, with lower taxes and lower cost of living. But then I’m actually quite happy with my 200K EUR total compensation if I don’t compare.

                  The problem is that my compensation is rather a big exception. Most seniors I know earn something between 60-80K, with 100K being pretty rare (outside my company).

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                    Only €200k salary? Eesh! I see what you mean! Absolutely unable to save with that kind of money, especially after yatch maintenance and a ticket on Bezos’s rocket!

                    I was in that position until last year, when I got a bump to €500k. Hang in there. It gets better!

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        Nah bro. Tech workers have it crazy good here in Western Europe and they know it.noboby wants to be working 80 hour weeks so you can spend most of your income on rent, get fucked over on healthcare and employee rights, and that’s just the people not relying on the green card.

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            There’s plenty of it, it’s just not as widely publicised. The company that designed the chips in your phones started off as a British company (ARM) , the heart of the operating systems of many phones, computers and servers started in Finland (Linux), one of the biggest enterprise software developers is German (SAP), the world wide web, including HTTP and HTML, was invented by a Brit.

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              I don’t see them being able to say who can and can’t use such and such tech they made or have patent about or something like that. ARM did but it was from USA pressure. Imagine if Torvalds said. I hate Dans, i don’t want them to use my kernel or the brits saying wewill cut the net from France.

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                I don’t see them being able to say who can and can’t use such and such tech they made or have patent about or something like that.

                That’s because the likes of CERN and Linus Torvalds open sourced their work. And it’s a very good thing for the industry as a whole that they did.

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          You don’t need to work 80 hour weeks or spend most of your income on rent.

          Just don’t buy into the SF bay area meme.

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            There are large parts of the country that aren’t much better, and a lot of them are where these jobs are based. Doesn’t help that companies have become anti-WFH recently.

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              Texas is much cheaper, doesn’t have STATE INCOME TAX, housing is more readily available

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                Sure, Texas has less taxes. Shame about the lack of employee rights, public healthcare, public childcare, etc.