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MEGA THREAD - Trump shot but safe, 2 others killed at PA rally (lemmy.world)
submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by JonsJava@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world
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WHAT

  • Former U.S. President Donald J. Trump was shot at a rally in PA.

TRUMPS STATEMENT

“I want to thank The United States Secret Service, and all of Law Enforcement, for their rapid response on the shooting that just took place in Butler, Pennsylvania. Most importantly, I want to extend my condolences to the family of the person at the Rally who was killed, and also to the family of another person that was badly injured. It is incredible that such an act can take place in our Country. Nothing is known at this time about the shooter, who is now dead. I was shot with a bullet that pierced the upper part of my right ear. I knew immediately that something was wrong in that I heard a whizzing sound, shots, and immediately felt the bullet ripping through the skin. Much bleeding took place, so I realized then what was happening. GOD BLESS AMERICA!”

WHAT WE THINK WE KNOW SO FAR

  • gunman is dead
  • Trump "is fine"
  • one attendee is dead
  • another attendee is in critical condition

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[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 243 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (107 children)

Do not advocate or celebrate violence, please. Comments advocating violence will be deleted and bans will be issued.

Also, please avoid promoting conspiracies. Discussing current events is fine but suggesting things like “it’s a false flag” without evidence is spreading a conspiracy.

[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 266 points 3 months ago (76 children)

A reminder, he incited people Jan 6th which resulted in deaths.

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[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 81 points 3 months ago (16 children)

I know you have to say this, but holy shit do I disagree.

This person advocated significant violence and contributed to the deaths and loss of human rights of thousands. A good whack of the world would turn up hungover to work tomorrow after celebrating only a few inches over.

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[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 58 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Why not? Isnt that what americans claim the second amendment is for?Prevent fascism?

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 274 points 3 months ago (36 children)

Alright, let's get it out ahead of time, since I'm already seeing this:

It's probably not staged. Trump reacts quickly - the fuck kind of timing you think that bloated potato has? To lift his hand to his ear just as the gunshot rings out? And the idea that the shooter grazed him on purpose is, likewise, absurd. The kind of risk that would entail, to just nick his ear?

Whether the shooter was insane or politically motivated, this is a real event.

[–] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 109 points 3 months ago (11 children)

Plus, the rally attendee being confirmed dead. Someone shot at him, 100%.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 99 points 3 months ago (6 children)

I said this in another one of these threads- it is not at all outlandish to think that someone unhinged with a gun would see the threat of a fascist dictator and decide to do something about it.

[–] Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml 75 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, I remember my grandfather telling the story of how Hitler held a speech at a Stadium that was visible from his attic window, and his biggest regret was, that he did not have a machinegun to take him and the other Nazi officials with him out. The US has enough guns and desperation for someone to attempt this, definitely.

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[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 56 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

I don’t doubt the shooter was genuinely trying to kill him. But I also think there are an unprecedented number of Republicans and Democrats who would be secretly relieved if their own party’s candidate were assassinated.

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[–] Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml 54 points 3 months ago (6 children)

It's a very common gut reaction to assume something like this has to be "staged", I said it in the other thread in some discussions: It's understandable to have it as this feeling. But everyone who feels that way: take a breath, remember the world is much more chaotic and much less controlled than you think, you don't have to think of yourself as stupid for thinking it, but wait for more information to come out and be ready to give it up then.

Reacting properly to this new reality is much more important, than trying to adjust reality to fit an emotion. It's human to do that, react instinctively in a first gut reaction, but it is also human to be able to let go of that.

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[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 48 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Thank you. And fuck the idiots spouting off with the "staged" nonsense. The time to believe something is staged is when you have evidence that it was.

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[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 231 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Did you guys hear Richard Simmons died? So sad.

[–] PPQ@lemmy.world 121 points 3 months ago (4 children)

And Dr. Ruth :(

[–] clearedtoland@lemmy.world 50 points 3 months ago

They noped out of wherever the fuck this chapter of America is headed.

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[–] Soltros@lemmy.world 172 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (11 children)

What peeves me is that the right are all clutching their pearls about anyone who says anything other than blind Trump sympathy. Don't get me wrong, political violence is wrong. But, remember this:

When Paul Pelosi got his face bashed in with a hammer, the right made fun of it. Mocked him. Idk, man.

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 66 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

This is what is so frustrating.

Conservatives call for violence; Call for rising up; Literally calling themselves DOMESTIC TERRORISTS: Absolutely a nothing burger. Just a bunch of locker room talk. Relax that's normal conservative speech.

Liberals blinking aggressively: WHY ARENT YOU MORE TOLERANT BE BETTER.

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[–] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 137 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Fuck. This is probably not going to lead to good things.

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 57 points 3 months ago (9 children)

Agreed. It's going to further inflame chaos and tensions in the country, it's going to further radicalize Trump himself into an even nastier man, and it's going to motivate his base. Even if Trump were to pass away, that base still remains, and we have the risk of a much more intelligent and gifted speaker taking up its leadership.

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[–] kylie_kraft@lemmy.world 117 points 3 months ago (2 children)

If you're planning to take out an aspiring despot, you better be damn sure of your shot

[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 67 points 3 months ago (9 children)

I don't think your advocating for or celebrating violence, but this comment is probably going to be taken that way and deleted. I totally agree with your point though, a failed assassination attempt is probably the worst thing you can do to a guy who wants to destroy democracy.

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[–] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 111 points 3 months ago (8 children)

The great recession, a global pandemic, and now a second American civil war. I want off this train.

[–] FollyDolly@lemmy.world 41 points 3 months ago

Don't forget the climate change!

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[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 96 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Guy tries to overthrow the country, and people are worried that someone tried to kill him. What is wrong with this world. If people aren't trying to kill him we have something to worried about.

The justice system failed to arrest and detain the suspect and keep him imprisoned until charged properly. This isn't a failure of the people, it is a failure of the government.

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[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 92 points 3 months ago (17 children)

I can’t wait for Trump to turn pro-gun control.

[–] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 64 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Trump's gun control: if white and conservative, you can own any firearm, if not, good luck

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[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 48 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Wouldn't be the first time. Conservatives are conservative up until the moment someone uses freedom from government oversight in a way that hurts or inconveniences them. Then they're all, "There oughta be a law against blah blah blah" without an iota of self-awareness.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 33 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I like it when they say it's not about guns, it's about mental health and then you say okay, let's have universal healthcare and they say, "no, not like that!"

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[–] Assman@sh.itjust.works 39 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (10 children)

He literally said "take the guns, then do process [sic]" years ago

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 82 points 3 months ago (33 children)

I didn't need this fucking stress on top of everything else. I only hope that the poll bump he'll get for this is short-lived.

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[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 75 points 3 months ago (15 children)

Biden added: "Jill and I are grateful to the Secret Service for getting him to safety. There’s no place for this kind of violence in America. We must unite as one nation to condemn it,"

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-says-he-is-grateful-hear-trump-is-safe-has-been-briefed-shooting-2024-07-14/

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[–] surfrock66@lemmy.world 72 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I mean this is the world he wants, you can't dog whistle people to take up arms against tyranny without a comfortable acceptance of the irony pool you are filling. Everyone will try to spin this to their political advantage but the truth is this is the level of political discourse the right has been driving towards.

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[–] Wxnzxn@lemmy.ml 70 points 3 months ago (2 children)

So, I am fearing this will not only rally all Trump supporters to really vote for and support him extra hard, and get some undecideds to his side for his martyr status, but it might also spark a wave of stochastic terrorism and shootings by some right-wingers acting out, who will want to deliver justice to whatever group they will blame.

There is definitely some danger of this potentially spiraling, not guaranteed, but that will depend on some more potentially chaotic weeks ahead. Stay safe, stay prepared, stay organised.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 65 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

I bet Trump is perversely happy he got shot. He can be a Real Brave Man, now. How much attention it gets him. How much more clout he believes he will get because he will weasel some political capital out of it. Heaven help us if the shooter was liberal, this man is fine with dog whistling violence and more than a few of his followers are itching to engage in it. It won't matter one whit how many people have been killed or hurt by right wingers.

[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 45 points 3 months ago (1 children)

When 9 11 happened, people had different reactions: sadness, fear, shock... people like Dick Cheney immediate reaction was: what can I gain from this.

I'm pretty sure Trump runs on that exact mentality.

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[–] PanoptiDon@lemmy.world 53 points 3 months ago (19 children)

I bet there will be a retaliatory attack on his Biden

[–] baronvonj@lemmy.world 40 points 3 months ago

at least. and Kamala just because she's a black woman.

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[–] Audacious@sh.itjust.works 46 points 3 months ago

I was excited at first, then sad. Trump's death would be the only way american people get justice as he's clearly above the law. Can't believe all the news hasn't called him felon trump, instead calling him president trump, dropping the former.

[–] errer@lemmy.world 45 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Reddit's megathread on this is already broken. Just goes to show how terrible it is, you'd think after all this time they'd figure out how to run a website...

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[–] queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone 43 points 3 months ago (7 children)

Gotta love how people are instantly pulling a QAnon deal of “ITS A FALSE FLAG, FAKE NEWS, NOTHING HAPPENS WITHOUT A GRAND CABAL!”

Somehow Trump is a mastermind of this. The dude who can’t hide stolen files properly, can’t lie on his taxes properly, and loses money on a casino, somehow has the ability to rig a false flag assassination attempt.

Are NeoLibs that so far into the Kool-Aid that Dipshit Trump is also a grandmaster 5D chess player of this, while not being able to string words together? It’s not like he’s ever been a good actor.

"Now Trump's gonna say Biden tried to kill him."

He already said that.

"Now Trump's gonna call for repression of the left."

He already did that.

"Now they're gonna say Trump is a martyr."

They already say that.

"Now the right is gonna get violent with their political opponents."

They already do that.

"Now the fash are gonna push for an enabling act."

They already are doing that.

It's equally frustrating and vindicating that people are waking up to the alarms minorities have been sounding for... decades? Even during 9/11, people were saying this is the start of the end for any form of freedom. Then we had economic crash after crash. Then more rights removed. More drone strikes. More illegal wars.

Then we tried to warn about Trump. No one cared. He won. The people who said he would hurt did get hurt. People acted shocked.

Biden came in. Ignored the people in jail cells, ignored COVID for better polling, refusing the new powers given to him to do anything better for the country at large, and slowly turning into a walking skeleton.

And every single time people have said "Hey this is bad for any form of democracy" people said it was overblown, nothing bad would happen. Then it got worse and worse. Voting didn't solve most of the issues. Protesting did. And then both parties clamped harder on protestors and increased funding to the militarized police.

Welcome to Weimar Germany, America. People have only warned you for decades. If this doesn't wake anyone up, then you'll sleepwalk as you claim ignorance on why you're "just following orders".

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[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 41 points 3 months ago (12 children)

I’m so over politics in America. This shit is terrifying. People trying to overthrow elections, seniors that are too old to lead, voter suppression, people stuck in disinformation bubbles, and now assassins. Meanwhile, the rich just get richer, and “middle class” life just gets harder and harder.

I have dual citizenship with an EU nation from birth, and this week had made me start to dust off those childhood documents and look into the details of relocating.

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[–] v9CYKjLeia10dZpz88iU@programming.dev 37 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (9 children)

I was looking for other angles, but haven't found any yet. There's clearly lots of people recording in the video broadcast by CNN. I did find the following though.

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