I just saw that lemmy.ml has pre-emptively defederated from threads. Are there any plans to do that here? I personally want nothing to do with Meta/Facebook, and I’m sure that’s not an unpopular opinion around here.
edit: y’all, please pay attention to where you are when coming from all.
edit again: kbin really ought to make a post’s home instance more clear.
Yeah, I don’t see much point in federating with anything Facebook comes up with.
However, I suspect the planned AP support by Tumblr will be the bigger question. Solarpunk obviously has been always very strong on Tumblr and the current owners of Tumblr are not nearly as bad as Facebook, but it is still a huge corporate run instance if and when it joins the Fediverse.
I’m glad to hear we won’t be federating with threads or any other meta products. As far as Tumblr, things might be a bit more complicated. Chris Trottier, a developer who is the admin for calckey . social , read Meta’s latest press release about Threads and it mentions Tumblr as well as Wordpress, which many websites run, who are both owned by a company known as Automattic. His take is that Meta has likely been in discussion with Automattic about Activitypub and that could have a big impact on the Fediverse.
Link to original post — > https://calckey.social/notes/9gvjlnajyc0pgyal
Meta press release — > https://about.fb.com/news/2023/07/introducing-threads-new-app-text-sharing/
I did see that, yes. Indeed I also think this isn’t a big nefarious plan of Facebook to kill the Fediverse (we are probably too small for them to care), but the damage will be done by them never the less and we better try our best to limit the damage as good as we can.
For Tumblr I guess we will see in a few months.
Thanks for your input, and all you do around here!
I definitely agree re:Tumblr. A corporate entity for sure, but a seemingly much less malicious and data-hungry one.
I was hoping someone was going to ask this here.
Ultimately, I will support the decision of our gracious host, whose time and money has made this instance possible. But I do not care to interact at all with Threads/Meta and I do not believe their presence on the fediverse is anything other than an attempt to either monetize it or potentially make it obsolete
Ultimately, I will support the decision of our gracious host, whose time and money has made this instance possible. But I do not care to interact at all with Threads/Meta and I do not believe their presence on the fediverse is anything other than an attempt to either monetize it or potentially make it obsolete
Agreed, 100%. And thanks for putting it more eloquently than I was able to, haha!
I will support the decision of our gracious host, whose time and money has made this instance possible.
I mean… he’s a developer, not a deity. I appreciate that this is a space he made, and he can do what he wants. But I’m also free to leave if he decides to federate with a Zuckerberg product.
Not trying to be rude or anything, but you’re not even here. This isn’t kbin. This is a specific meta community for this instance, slrpnk.net.
That’s, uh… that’s a good point you got there. I still get confused by the whole federation thing lol
I went and found this thread on kbin.social, and I’m gonna put the blame squarely on them. It was extremely unclear that this thread was on another instance, and really the only way I was able to tell was by looking at the URL.
I would support the admins in a decision to block Threads, and would not be abandoning my account if they did
Keep corporations off platforms. They have no business peddling their lies and cheap garbage.
I would supprt pre-emptively defederating Facebook / Meta.
Directly relevant history: they allowed their users to talk to third-party XMPP servers as long as it suited their business. With size comes arrogance, so while doing that, they introduced compatibility issues which caused other people much avoidable work. Finally they blocked their users from interacting with third-party messenger apps.
Indirectly relevant history: Facebook has caused damage to society by allowing better manipulation (targeted advertising) and helped fuel conflict (preference for content that makes people click).
A company with their history and ownership model can be expected to behave selfishly to the detriment of others.
I’m personally opposed to defederation in all but the most extreme circumstances. I think more people communicating, even through a questionable platform, could be a could thing. A lot of people are speculating that this is some scheme to kill the fediverse but there’s no real evidence of this yet, and frankly, I’m not convinced we’re big enough that Meta would really consider us a threat. If evidence of such a scheme does materialize, then obviously at that point defederation makes sense. But at this point, I think defederation (and denying potentially millions of people from experiencing the fediverse) solely on speculation seems like a bad idea.
I was actually thinking of suggesting a defederation policy be drafted, so that we can have clear circumstances under which we would or would not defederate. That way we can operate off of consensus rather than the whims of admins—well-intentioned as they may be. Curious what the community thinks of that idea, whatever the decision on this particular topic ends up being.
I did write down some “typical reasons” for de-federation in our Wiki: https://wiki.f-hub.org/books/slrpnknet/page/lemmy-instance
But it is intentionally a bit vague and left open for interpretation as there will be always edge-cases and people trying to game rules. So no, I don’t think it will be ever possible to have “clear circumstances under which we would or would not defederate”, its always a bit of an individual judgement call related to both our specific community here and the health of the wider Fediverse.
In the specific case of Threads, I think it would probably not matter so much for our specific community here, but the threat to the wider Fediverse is very real and warrants a coordinated attempt to keep them out as best as we can.
And “denying potentially millions of people from experiencing the fediverse” is just not the case. They are free to make an account on another Fediverse server that is not run by a known bad actor like Facebook.
I get where you’re coming from, but honestly, I think Facebook’s history is enough evidence.
