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[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 276 points 5 months ago (20 children)

Please don't. Just keep providing security updates for an extended time and don't make Win 10 worse with these 'features' that are keeping people away from Win 11.

[–] stardustsystem@lemmy.world 94 points 5 months ago (1 children)

But muh platform growth!?!?! It just needs more AI, that'll get the people upgrading

[–] Guy_Fieris_Hair@lemmy.world 29 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] Starkstruck@lemmy.world 36 points 5 months ago (4 children)

From what I've seen, pretty much everyone from techies to the tech illiterate HATES AI Implementations. Yet corporations keep trying to shovel it down our throats. When are they going to admit no one wants this?

[–] Guy_Fieris_Hair@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

They are shoveling it down our throats because the corporations want it. The more they can get it to do without having to pay us poors, the more money they can keep in their pockets. AI has to mine data to learn, so they are trying to put it everywhere to learn. On your OS like copilot doesn't just learn what you type in on a specific site, it learns EVERYTHING you type, everywhere. Then later, Microsoft doesn't need to pay people writing code for them, doesn't need to pay customer service reps. Then they can sell either copilot or its learned data to other companies. WE ARE NOT THE CUSTOMERS, WE ARE THE PRODUCT.

ANYHOOO, I have no idea how AI works, I am talking out my ass, but this is my tinfoil hat rant.

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[–] variants@possumpat.io 30 points 5 months ago (3 children)

That's the point, make wi does 10 worse so people will update

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[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 141 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Another great ploy by Microsoft to increase Linux adoption.

[–] jettrscga@lemmy.world 64 points 5 months ago (18 children)

I just dual booted Linux Mint yesterday when I was reminded of the Win 10 end of service date, and hope to keep with it as my main system.

Linux has come a long way with compatibility since I last tried it ~10 years ago. The fact that Steam games ran perfectly without an evening of configuring settings blew my mind.

[–] natedog526@lemmy.world 17 points 5 months ago (9 children)

Honestly my ability to game has what has kept me out of linux. I trialed PopOs a while ago. I will more than likely switch to it when shit starts getting super annoying.

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[–] Thrickles@lemm.ee 126 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Stubborn? Windows 11 does not support my older hardware. With no other reason to upgrade, I'm not dropping that kind of cash just for Windows 11.

Regardless, I fully migrated to Linux last year.

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[–] ogmios@sh.itjust.works 69 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Bring back support for Windows 7 and Windows 10 will die overnight.

[–] Know_not_Scotty_does@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Windows media center alone is worth resurrecting win7 for.

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[–] ObamaBinLaden@lemmy.world 68 points 5 months ago (6 children)

TF do they mean stubbornly popular? My windows 10 works perfectly fine and I have absolutely no reason to change anything about it. What is this weird ass 'if you're not upgrading, you're being stubborn' when there is no reason to and windows 11 looks ass on top of it

[–] tektite@slrpnk.net 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Agreed, and I would think XP was the stubbornly popular version. People were on there for years after end of support.

A large amount of people still clinging to Win 10 because the only other (Windows) option is upgrading to 11 doesn't mean it's "popular" so much as it means people want 11 even less than they wanted 10.

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[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 61 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Windows 10 isn't popular. It's just that windows 11 is crap in comparison. Release an OS that isn't predicated on what's good for ad revenue and Microsoft's bottom line and everyone will upgrade.

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 35 points 5 months ago (2 children)

One of the definitions of “popular” is going to blow your mind.

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[–] frezik@midwest.social 56 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Microsoft made a big mistake with Windows 10: it basically works fine.

[–] SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 26 points 5 months ago (2 children)

That's when an operating system is supposed to do. They make mistakes when they make it worse. Usually, the operating system starts worse and eventually gets tolerable. That happened with Windows 10. Initial versions were far inferior to Windows 7, but now it's at a pretty good state. Windows 11 is a pile of fucking garbage. There is no compelling feature in Windows 11 that would make anyone want to upgrade. There are compelling reasons not to upgrade, such as advertising, menus that require more clicks to get the same shit done, forced use of Microsoft account, etc.

There's also the fact that Windows 11 refuses to run unless you have a handful of specific hardware in your computer, such as TPM 2.0, and a relatively modern processor. There is no technical reason for this requirement, it was discovered very early on that if you override the check it will install and run just fine. But Microsoft seems determined to get people to throw away their older but still perfectly good computers.

That is a very big part of why Windows 10 is still so popular. If you have a computer from six or seven years ago that you've upgraded once or twice, it's probably still perfectly good. No reason to throw it away for Windows 11 when you can keep on trucking with Windows 10.

[–] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I personally am quite grateful that my computer doesn't meet the requirements, because that means I won't be stealth-upgraded like happened with 10.

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[–] Cossty@lemmy.world 50 points 5 months ago

They just want to make w10 as bad if not worse than w11. Because they want people say: I might as well use w11.

[–] Raglesnarf@lemmy.world 35 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I can enable some TMP in my bios to give me "windows 11 compatibility" but I have no reason to do so. If I could chill on Windows 7 forever I would

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[–] Wirlocke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 5 months ago (2 children)

So they're ending support but will use the remaining users like test guinea pigs.

Great...

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[–] letsgo@lemm.ee 33 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Well it's only Windows that's complaining it can't install Windows 11 on my Windows 10 laptop. I'm not mothballing perfectly good hardware just because Microsoft is having a tantrum.

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[–] adarza@lemmy.ca 32 points 5 months ago (1 children)

win 11 adoption must be pretty bad if they have to do their new features beta testing on win 10 (which should be on a security updates/show-stopper bugfix only policy by now) instead.

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Windows 11 adoption to business customers is really bad. Most of the adoption to 11 has been from people purchasing new home computers and being stuck with 11 (I have two win 11 computers now).

Since the bulk of Microsoft's revenue comes from business customers, they have a huge impact on decisions.

At this point the only decision Microsoft can make is to write off win 11 as a failue. Resuming feature upgrades to win 10 makes business sense.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 31 points 5 months ago (7 children)

Its not that 10 is more popular, its that 10 is less jacked up. Start jacking 10 and we'll all go back to 7

[–] skyy@lemmy.zip 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Start jacking up 10 and we'll all go to Linux

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[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 28 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Is there a commonly accepted reason why Microsoft makes these big releases so different?

AFAIK macOS has relatively minor changes, in terms of UI/UX, from release to release (look at screenshots of the original OS X vs. the current macOS version). And Linux is entirely dependent on distro, but for me it's just "has i3wm changed drastically? No? Great!"

My guess is that Windows just does it because they need folks to upgrade, and that's the only tool they have to force people's hands...

[–] KISSmyOSFeddit@lemmy.world 52 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It's a direct result of their corporate culture.
MS has different teams competing with each other, and keeping something running well for years won't get you noticed for a promotion.
You have to do something new to get ahead, preferably more so than the other team working next to you . So that's what everyone at MS is trying to do.

This is why there are multiple Teams apps, multipe Skype apps, multiple current Office versions and multiple Microsoft login portals side by side now.
It's why Outlook licensing has a different backend than all other Office apps.
It's why there are several Windows development branches running in parallel, and several different systems handling updates.
It's why there's a dozen different overlapping M365 admin portals that keep changing their UI, and settings keep getting moved around between them.

It makes absolutely no sense for the end user, but it makes sense inside MS' internal corporate structure.

[–] YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca 24 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Probably a sad attempt at adding “shiny” features to get people to upgrade to 11 once updates are no longer published for 10?

“We’ll get people hooked on these shiny features, 90% of which are not interesting. Then we’ll pull the update rug from under them. And bingo, they’ll upgrade!!”

[–] GlitterNinja@midwest.social 39 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Probably more like, “we’ll make Windows 10 indistinguishable from Windows 11, at which point people will have no reason to stick with Windows 10” (unless their computers can’t update to Windows 11, like my laptop)

Or maybe I’m just showing that I know nothing about how updates work and that I perhaps shouldn’t be commenting in a technology community…

[–] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 24 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Technically win 11 has the same main version number to win 10. They're essentially different UIs with extra features in 11. There's no technical reason why anything in 11 can't be backported to 10 unless it requires a TPM (maybe)

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 5 months ago (1 children)
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[–] Defaced@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago (9 children)

I'll just jump ship completely and use my Linux install 100% of the time. If I need to use a more mainstream OS for some stupid reason I'll just use my Mac.

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[–] Mertn33@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago

It is malware, not software.

[–] indomara@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago (18 children)

No fucking thank you, I have long since completely neutered my pc's ability to update. I updated enough to install drivers and get it stable, and that's it. I don't trust windows.

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[–] whoisthedoktor@lemmy.wtf 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You want "new features and more"?

Linux.

You're welcome.

[–] MeDuViNoX@sh.itjust.works 19 points 5 months ago (4 children)

I want old features and less. 😞

(I'm still switching to Linux.)

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 18 points 5 months ago

Backporting the ads?

[–] errer@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago (2 children)

How much you wanna bet Recall gets added to Win10 as well?

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[–] n3m37h@sh.itjust.works 17 points 5 months ago

Co pilot? Please leave that garbage off my pc

[–] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The "and more" is the worrying part. They're telling us that some of the things they are adding are not 'features'. So then what are they?

Ads, probably. That's the trend these days. More and more ads, in everything, everywhere - just really probing the limits of tolerability.

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[–] adam_y@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

My set up comfortably plays cyberpunk at dead fancy settings, but doesn't meet the system requirements for windows 11.

Yeah, I'm going to rub out windows 10 as long as I can (although I dual boot Debian anyway).

That's why it is stubbonky popular.

[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

rub out Windows 10

Whatever is your kink, bro.

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[–] NutWrench@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

Is one of those "features" CoPilot? Because I did a search for it on my Windows 10 installation, and found several small bits of it, including a directory called "Microsoft CoPilot." It looks like a placeholder for a full installation, later on. I'm guessing Office 365 put it there.

[–] Delusional@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago (6 children)

It's almost like they're trying to make people switch to Linux and kill PC gaming altogether. Luckily gaming on Linux has come pretty far.

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