• MotoAsh@lemmy.world
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    The case of the monkeys is a hypothetical to highlight that seemingly impossible things, like a fully cogent and understandable stage play, resulting from effective chaos is not actually impossible despite any human concept of impossible.

    The monkeys with type writers are allegory for random. Adding intention makes it a decision, not a random event. The expression is not saying anything about decisions, but “form” rising from chaos.

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      I guess I don’t think I see how that contradicts the initial post, but maybe that’s just because I’m reading the post as saying the same thing as “leave enough hydrogen alone for long enough and eventually it starts thinking”

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        Well, it’s more that observing that the allegory is based in reality … is quite literally turning it on its head. Saying, “but it’s tru tho” is a thought-terminating statement that ignores the entire reason WHY it is a valid allegory.

        It is a valid allegory specifically because the monkeys didn’t intend to write a play. Shakespear wanted to write a play. The monkeys did not. It is a fundamental detail for the allegory to even work.

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          Gotcha gotcha. In other words: us being monkeys generating random output is an unfalsifiable hypothesis, so saying “it’s true” is unscientific. Yes, it could be true if free will didn’t exist, but since that’s not something that can be proven we shouldn’t use it as the basis for how we view reality. Something like that?

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            I mean, yea that works if you want to continue to carry it in that direction, but my point is… The expression is not commenting on humans what so ever. It’s commenting on the the law of averages vs the law of large numbers. The probability is not zero, so eventually, even seemingly impossible things WILL occur, and that it’s NOT some mystic sign if something rare does happen.