When Voyager was first shown on TV, a mate from work used to come around every week and we’d have a beer and watch it.
The episode with Neelix’s cheese ended that tradition
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Understandable but would it shock you to know that it's my fav star trek? But ya it unfortunately has some weak episodes, especially in the beginning.
It's my favourite as well. My parents watched TNG and DS9 when I was a kid, but Voyager was the first Trek that I went out of my way myself to watch. Kathryn Janeway is high on my list of personal (albeit fictional) heroes.
VOY is the most scientifically illiterate of all Trek series. They tried to sound at least as "sciency" as TNG, but:
- They spent half a season searching ores on planets while mentioning a gas
- They invented the "iso-" pseudo prefix to hide they didn't understand the metric system (in a prior episode they were alarmed by a cosmic event generating as little pressure as 10 atmospheres).
Shall we talk about their continual shortage of deuterium? Possibly the second most common substance in the universe!
Thank you, yes.
Are you forgetting Discovery's space tardigrade? and the mycelial network?
Personally I find that show to be unwatchable.
I consider Discovery in its own disaster category. They didn't even try to make sense.
Voyager had at least a veneer of palatable Trek. Sometimes.
Oof ya if you're going for scientific accuracy I wouldn't rate it very high either.
I've subsequently seem other episodes - and yes, it's solid. It's just that one episode, where we looked at each other and went 'nahh'
I loved Voyager, but I always hard a little bit of a hard time with Neelix.
I feel like the writers never figured out Neelix.
Just imagine what the crew had to go through... Kinda surprising that Tuvix didn't have any support since splitting him up would mean that Neelix is back.
Neelix was awful, and probably made worse because I wanted to like him from the start.
Without getting into Kes - which compounded the Neelix problem for me - I started to hate him less in the last few seasons when he went all dark sad clown. I was still viscerally annoyed, but he turned into almost a Michael Scott type character. He was horrible, but you could see the the pain that made him that way.
@ArtieShaw @xilliah @TingoTenga Of all the "hospitality" people in ST (Guinan, Quark, Neelix), Neelix was by far the worst. He was just annoying. No wonder poor Tuvok couldn't stand him (and then they got merged :eyeroll: ).
I hadn't even thought about the comparison to Guinan or Quark. The comparison makes Neelix so much worse. Guinan didn't need a redemption arc . Quark had a good one. Neither of them were annoying.
Guinan gained a threatening arc, if anything. The ultra calm, compassionate counselor that scared gods like Q, and could swing a mean rifle when she needed to.
State of the art ship, goes to shit because of cheese, smort engineers take days to figure it out.... The future!
Janeway: coffee?
Neelix: no, but we have molded brie
Get the cheese to sickbay