The game itself only exists while its rules are being followed. They don’t need to be externally enforced, the collective agreement to play the game implies agreeing to its rules.
Yes and who puts them in jail when the murderer doesn’t want to go? An enforcer. God, you morons are being led to water and then shitting in it… Holy fucking pathetic.
I was talking about the society as we live in now, since you decided to create a metaphorical connection between board games and reality. I didn’t mean to comment on whatever else you thought people are talking about
The fact you still do not understand the difference between rule maker and rule enforcer is pathetic. Anarchy is literally beyond your comprehension.
Rules HAVE to exist. In some form. They HAVE to be enforced in some form. If you assume any enforcer is a boot of a “ruler”, you are literally missing the entire point.
Cringe, honestly dude all your comments tell me you’re 14. I just joined the thread with one comment and you start hurling insults. Actually child like behavior.
You literally said anarchism is beyond my comprehension despite it being one of the hardest to define political terminologies. YOU don’t even know what it means because it means 100 different things to 100 different grouos of people
One day you’ll get a 2 in front of your age and feel embarrassed about how fucking idiotic you make yourself look all the time.
The moment you create rules and create enforcers those enforcers become the rulers.
If they have the power to enforce rules then they have higher authority and therefore status.
Don’t get me wrong I love the concept. The problem is the concept completely ignores that humans naturally develop hierarchy. We won’t deliberately pick the roles they’ll just naturally develop over time.
Enforcers only become rulers when they’re given both immunity and the ability to make shit up.
The fact you fundamentally do not understand the difference between rule maker and rule enforcer is pathetic.
If you like the concept, then maybe understand how it’s actually supposed to function. Rules HAVE to exist. Enforcers HAVE to exist. How do you do that fairly? Yes, nature has tendencies, which is why humans create rules and enforcers to resist natural tendencies.
Humans are supposed to be GREATER than “dumb animals”, yet all I ever hear is people whining about how it it’s unnatural… NO SHIT!! That’s the entire point!!
In nature, the strong eat the weak, the end. Game over. We need to create rules and enforcers to make a better environment than is natural. Creating rules requires at least a temporary “ruler” (that doesn’t ‘have’ to be a single person). If you claim ANY ruler is ALWAYS bad, you are quite literally forgetting how not-nature works in its entirety.
Rules don’t have to be enforced if everybody makes the rules and agrees to follow them. A society built on cooperation, free association, and consent is possible.
Your conception of “natural tendencies” and “the strong eat the weak” smacks of social darwinism. Social darwinism is pseudoscientic bullshit.
You are beyond stupid if you cannot fathom how my explanation of nature was to SEPARATE out the good intentions of societal rules … right? The fact you take an allegory literally is just pathetic communication skills. Try to understand what I’m saying, not what some sub-selection of my words returns you from Google…
Do you have empirical evidence that societal rules are borne of good intentions and not complete fabrications, made up entirely to suit the needs of those in power? Social organization (including rules) are a human concept that are malleable and changeable. Can you prove that enforcement is needed to have a functioning society? You’re so confident in your assertions, how about you put up some proof behind it?
Your allegory is used by social darwinists. It’s a bad allegory. If it doesn’t accurately convey the sentiment you were attempting to express it’s your own fault. Write with intent and be precise
How do you keep the enforcers from becoming the rulers? Who enforces the enforcers? Other enforcers? What’s to stop them from banding together just like cops do now? Eliminating hierarchy requires many other conditions be met to not just turn into authoritarianism or something similar.
Who enforces the rules if they exist? There is a difference between ruler and enforcer. The fact I have to point this out is sad.
The game itself only exists while its rules are being followed. They don’t need to be externally enforced, the collective agreement to play the game implies agreeing to its rules.
That is so fucking stupid when talking about laws… Murder doesn’t magically become legal just because someone actually did it…
in the game of society, participating in society means you agree to the current “rules” of the “game” (laws). And one of those rules is murder -> jail
Yes and who puts them in jail when the murderer doesn’t want to go? An enforcer. God, you morons are being led to water and then shitting in it… Holy fucking pathetic.
I was talking about the society as we live in now, since you decided to create a metaphorical connection between board games and reality. I didn’t mean to comment on whatever else you thought people are talking about
Police still don’t make up laws. Regatfless of how offensive qualified immunity and the police union are, police still do not write law.
Yeah one is a person, the other is a boot of that person
The fact you still do not understand the difference between rule maker and rule enforcer is pathetic. Anarchy is literally beyond your comprehension.
Rules HAVE to exist. In some form. They HAVE to be enforced in some form. If you assume any enforcer is a boot of a “ruler”, you are literally missing the entire point.
Still dont? I just got here you dweeb
Yet you’re willing to mouth off with ignorance despite, “just getting here”. Fucking pathetic. Do better.
Cringe, honestly dude all your comments tell me you’re 14. I just joined the thread with one comment and you start hurling insults. Actually child like behavior.
You literally said anarchism is beyond my comprehension despite it being one of the hardest to define political terminologies. YOU don’t even know what it means because it means 100 different things to 100 different grouos of people
One day you’ll get a 2 in front of your age and feel embarrassed about how fucking idiotic you make yourself look all the time.
No I think you and most anarchists are.
The moment you create rules and create enforcers those enforcers become the rulers.
If they have the power to enforce rules then they have higher authority and therefore status.
Don’t get me wrong I love the concept. The problem is the concept completely ignores that humans naturally develop hierarchy. We won’t deliberately pick the roles they’ll just naturally develop over time.
Enforcers only become rulers when they’re given both immunity and the ability to make shit up.
The fact you fundamentally do not understand the difference between rule maker and rule enforcer is pathetic.
If you like the concept, then maybe understand how it’s actually supposed to function. Rules HAVE to exist. Enforcers HAVE to exist. How do you do that fairly? Yes, nature has tendencies, which is why humans create rules and enforcers to resist natural tendencies.
Humans are supposed to be GREATER than “dumb animals”, yet all I ever hear is people whining about how it it’s unnatural… NO SHIT!! That’s the entire point!!
In nature, the strong eat the weak, the end. Game over. We need to create rules and enforcers to make a better environment than is natural. Creating rules requires at least a temporary “ruler” (that doesn’t ‘have’ to be a single person). If you claim ANY ruler is ALWAYS bad, you are quite literally forgetting how not-nature works in its entirety.
Mutual Aid: A factor of Evolution
Rules don’t have to be enforced if everybody makes the rules and agrees to follow them. A society built on cooperation, free association, and consent is possible.
Your conception of “natural tendencies” and “the strong eat the weak” smacks of social darwinism. Social darwinism is pseudoscientic bullshit.
You’re wrong, plain and simple
If you refuse to take power, someone else will.
You are beyond stupid if you cannot fathom how my explanation of nature was to SEPARATE out the good intentions of societal rules … right? The fact you take an allegory literally is just pathetic communication skills. Try to understand what I’m saying, not what some sub-selection of my words returns you from Google…
Do you have empirical evidence that societal rules are borne of good intentions and not complete fabrications, made up entirely to suit the needs of those in power? Social organization (including rules) are a human concept that are malleable and changeable. Can you prove that enforcement is needed to have a functioning society? You’re so confident in your assertions, how about you put up some proof behind it?
Your allegory is used by social darwinists. It’s a bad allegory. If it doesn’t accurately convey the sentiment you were attempting to express it’s your own fault. Write with intent and be precise
How do you keep the enforcers from becoming the rulers? Who enforces the enforcers? Other enforcers? What’s to stop them from banding together just like cops do now? Eliminating hierarchy requires many other conditions be met to not just turn into authoritarianism or something similar.
Yes exactly. That’s why anarchy is a little more complicated than, “lol no rulers”.
Yes, that’s the fundamental contradiction of anarchism. Rules need rulers.
Anarchism IS NOT about “no rule makers”. It is wholly about JUSTIFIED AUTHORITY, not NO authority.
Can you cite a source that says this that isn’t Wikipedia please? Or are you just making it up to fit your own personal beliefs about the subject
Or are you just going to continue to call people stupid without backing anything up, huh?
So you’re not willing to cite a source? Typical for your types
Oh look, nothing but an ignorant, obstinant attempt at an insult. Maybe you’ll get one when you prove to be smarter than a triggered 11 year old.
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how can an enforcer not become a ruler?
By not having immunity from equitable rules and by not having the ability to just make shit up and arrest people for it?
This isn’t rocket science. Enforcers CAN be subject to rules too, regardless how much US police are not.