Try it for a year, and I would love to see many new projects get funded. This is why I don’t mind Toronto building lots more transit over SOGR, once a network is established, congestion pricing can be tried all over North America to solve the perennial “how do we get transit to break even” complaint
Fuck no toronto does not need another tax on people driving in.
Sure they do, so long as they have provided adequate alternatives like rail or other transit for people to use instead.
Cities shoild be built for people. If you want to pollute the city with your car, waste space parking it somehwhere all day, and participate in one of the most dangerous forms of transportation, then there should be a fee associated with that to cover the costs of maintaining the infrastructure, pay for the parking, and contribute some money to healthcare to cover pollution health impacts/injuries from roadways.
That fee already exists on the property and car sales that’s taxed. More taxes won’t fix any issues we face, itll just line the pockets of useless beaurucrats.
Why don’t the feds acc invest in proper subway lines instead of forcing them into two crowded lines, and refused to add more for 25 fkijg years.
You say Tax them more to reduce cost of living, I say give them good alternative options but let the people choose. You also forget how much $$ these 905ers bring into the dt core. Scaring them off w taxes will hurt local business more so than anything.
I can understand the initial hesitation to more and more fees. If you’ve ever tried getting out from Front Street at 5pm on a weekday you’d wish for something like that.
Thing is that everyone inside and outside cars effectively subsidize the externalities of traffic. Everyone’s wasted time, wasted gas money, health effects of breathing car emissions, noise, so on and so forth. Don’t forget that every car on the road is being subsidized by taxpayers from road maintenance, gas tax subsidies, parking facilities in the suburbs, service delivery and upkeep to the far suburbs, so on and so forth.
I agree that Toronto’s network is not quite as good as New York to really justify such a toll at this very moment but within 10 years I think it will be, and if it shows early signs of success then I think many cities around both Canada and the US will be quick to adopt it.
This is just gonna limit how poor people move even more, pushing them into public transport while the wealthy keep doing whatever they want.
Not really there’s still mass transit, or walking, or cycling, or being close to the stuff you need. I speak from experience, lived in nyc all my life. If anything it makes life easier as a pedestrian because there’s less useless traffic from people crossing over from eastern ny to the rest of the tristate area and back, so there’s more consistent mass transit.
Looks like the congestion fees will be used to cover the public transportation expenses, so wealthy people will be sponsoring the poor people transportation options.
im not familiar with the city but i feel public transit would stay just as shitty?
i feel like this will be carbon tax all over again.
NYC practically has the best public transportation in America. Maybe by the standards of other countries it isn’t great, but there is a reason NYC has the lowest car ownership rate in the country.
That’s crazy, but kind of makes sense, you can go practically anywhere by public transport. How do you (or they) identify in a country that relies so much on drivers licences, tho?
We have state ID cards for those who do not have a driver’s license or cannot get one for whatever reason.
I mean, that’s great, but isn’t this still seggregating people?
Sorry, I’m not even familiar with how NY works, but as a generalization, I think that if you put a fee, you’re not necessarily going to remove cars from the streets, but select what cars will be on the streets.
Or maybe this does work, it’s been succesfully done on other fields, like tobacco consumption. Idk, I just feel like these things are unfair somehow, I hope it helps tho.
Poor people do not drive into Manhattan. Without congestion pricing it is too expensive.
NYC is very much public transit and bike focused. A very significant portion of people never even learn to drive. The only cars on the road are business, rich people, and ubers. Some parking spots have a higher income than many service workers.
Unfortunately, there’s also next to zero enforcement of traffic laws so people get hit and killed by cars daily
