• phoneymouse@lemmy.world
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    Man, Russia is nuts. I dunno where these guys got their beatings, but this seems like nothing you’d see in the US.

    Also, hard to understand how they can blame Ukraine for this while none of the suspects are Ukrainian.

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      Presumably because they couldn’t find any Ukrainians to pin the blame on.

      I’m somewhat skeptical about if these people are actually responsible, since I would have thought that a properly organized terrorist would actually leave the country pretty pronto.

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          That’s starting to look weak. They’re allowing reality to have an impact on decision making.

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        Bruh. There is video footage of it. You can go the parts of the internet where such footage is shared and check for yourself.

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          A bunch of footage of what exactly? These individuals with their faces uncovered demonstrating they were the ones that committed the act I don’t think so.

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      You really won’t see this in the USA, because few people even reach the border. After September 11, the United States is fine with eliminating threats. For example, the United States knew about this attack for 2 weeks.

      UPD: I also remind you that after September 11, the United States did not limit itself to one person but beat up an entire country

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      Most people involved with the sbu’s sabotage and terrorism inside Russia where not Ukrainian.

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      I mean… knowing it’s likely a CIA funded attack, Russia didn’t really have any option other than to say it was the group that allows them to continue their war in the Ukraine.

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          Anybody who genuinely believes this was Isis is beyond saving from the state departments’ silly narrative

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            Because Isis have never committed any terrorist attacks before right?

            If you’re going to make that claim you need to provide some evidence

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              And because Islamic extremists have never committed attacks in Russie based on Russias actions in Syria (directly engaging ISIS) and Russias friendly relations with the taliban, who in turn hate ISIS.

              So many examples, but blaming the Americans/Ukranian/Europeans/InsertAnyOtherParty is just another way the Russian trolls sow chaos in an attempt to make everyone doubt reality.

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                The people that have done the deed where definitly ISIS. But there where many people involved behind the scenes and someone payed for it.

                ISIS usually ideologically subverts individuals.

                While Ukraine is involved in numerous killings, terrorism and uncountable sabotages inside Russia, (mostly) by either paying or convincing locals.

                (I doubt it was the US/ Europe. The CIA/ Europe would have no gain from this.)

                But there is no definitive proof (so far) of who actually orchestraded it, so it could be the usual suspect or the obvious one.

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        Of course it could be CIA connected but likely is a too strong word with the information available at this point. Russia is fucking around with many groups all over the world

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    All appeared to have been beaten - videos of brutal interrogation sessions were apparently leaked by Russian security forces, and reports suggest at least one had suffered electric shocks.

    The men the court identified as Mirzoyev and Rachabalizoda had black eyes and the latter’s ear was heavily bandaged - reportedly from it being partially severed during his arrest.

    Mirzoyev also appeared to have a torn plastic bag wrapped around his neck.

    The face of the man identified as Fariduni was badly swollen, while the man named as Fayzov appeared to lose consciousness as he was brought into court in a wheelchair wearing a thin hospital gown.

    He appeared to have an eye missing, according to the Reuters news agency.

    A court statement on the Telegram messaging service said Mirzoyev had “admitted his guilt in full”, while Rachabalizoda also “admitted guilt”.

    Anyone will admit guilt if you do that to them. Is there any actual evidence that these men were the ones who attacked the concert hall?

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      That is if you believe these are the actual perpetrators.

      It took an hour for security forces to reach the actual event but they catch the perps in 4 hours? Very sus.

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        Also, the distance/time from when they passed the roadblock to where they were arrested, gives that they were averaging 247 km/h in an old Renault. But sure, these are the right guys. Also, nothing gives credibility to an interrogation as electric chocks to the scrotum.

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      A week ago Russian didn’t even believe the terrorist attacks were going to happen, and now they found the perpetrators? Yeah sure