technically its confidence and hygiene.
Hygiene, manners, fitness, generally not being a creep.
“fitness”
Highly exaggerated by the masculinist movement, I know many people who aren’t in good shape and never were that have a relationship/family life that most would envy
It doesn’t hurt to be fit. You’ll likely look better and it helps with your confidence.
You’ll likely look better
True.
it helps with your confidence.
False.
I think it definitely anecdotally helps with confidence, but went searching and seems like at least some studies corroborate this common view, at least for self-esteem
When did I say it hurts to be fit?
The vast majority of the population doesn’t go to the gym and their exercise consists of doing random physical activities around the house, going on walks or having a physically demanding job but a bunch of people with low self esteem got convinced by the internet that they’re hopeless if they don’t go to the gym… Oh and here, buy their product and treat women like shit while you’re at it because it all goes together! That’s what self esteem feels like bitches!
“It doesn’t hurt to” is an idiom meaning it can be beneficial. It doesn’t mean you were arguing that it hurts to be fit. I’m saying it’s not necessary to be fit but it might still be worthwhile.
Seems like you’re looking at these people as a monolith. Most of us treat the gym like a horticulturist treats their garden, it’s therapeutic while also being beneficial. Sure there’s the guys that follow all of the social media “gurus” but you can usually tell who they are by their gear and what they spend most of their time talking about.
9/10 times the guys with the most experience and general level of fitness are the ones that just wear old cut offs and go home to go drink a protein shake. The ones railing pre workout and listening to Andrew Tate aren’t there for the right reasons so they generally never get anywhere with it.
People who aren’t in good shape attract other people who aren’t in good shape. There is someone for everyone. Well not really, but those people are content with each other.
I wouldn’t phrase it like that. More like, your standards for your partner shouldn’t be higher than your standards for yourself.
Tomato, tom-ah-to
You keep telling yourself that while we stay more open Skipper
Not really true and you realize that you can just not do exercise without being 400lbs right? Even in the periods where I wasn’t into exercising my weight was stable around ~145lbs at 5’8", I just looked like a regular guy and dated plenty of beautiful women during that time.
People who aren’t in good shape attract other people who aren’t in good shape
Have you ever met a lesbian
Huh? What does that have to do with anything we’re discussing here?
Clearly the answer is no.
As a woman I would like to add that the Fitness part is not true. Of course if you want to ask out a gym girl she will care about fitness, but also if you want to ask a “fashion” girl out she will care about fashion and so on. Know your target before putting effort in the wrong thing. I’m the type that cares zero about fitness.
Hygiene, manners and not being a creep is default tho. Please do that.
Younger generations also need appropriate internet socialization for the social medias. Need to not live under a rock but also not go off the deep end of Insta or 4chan, respectively.
The finer details of making friends on a discord server befuddles me.
Isn’t a discord like a curated list of people who you at least share an interest with?
The sketch with squigly lines here doesn’t just represent hygiene. It shows how doomed he is
You see doom, I see a montage worthy makeover.
What song is playing in the montage?
Obviously the final countdown.
By default I was in fact thinking of “The Final Countdown”, but for this I’ll go for a slightly more wholesome approach. “Carry on Wayward Son”
Also being ok with rejection
But repeated rejection has an effect of reinforcing our undesirableness. How do people cope with this?
Friends, family, therapy.
Why assume a rejection is because of you?
Why not assume they are having a bad day, they are just out of a previous relationship and they want a break, your just not their type (even if you had all the abs and a chiseled jaw and confidence they wouldn’t be interested), what if they aren’t into your gender, or what if they are in a committed relationship with their horse?
There are a lot of things that can cause it to be a no deal that are not your fault. If you feel like you did a good job asking, then it is probably one of the above.
Why assume a rejection is because of you?
This goes in all matters. The people who succeed don’t take everything personally.
Everyone who’s deflected N rejections and given life advice to others based on that, has not yet experienced N+1 rejections.
100% of women I tried getting with rejected me, surely this is because of me.
It’s like ya’ll motherfuckers need to memorize the serenity prayer.
“Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.”
Things I cannot change:
- My autism
- My face
OK now what?
Now you hit on autistic people. Comes with the pro that they’ll be more likely to find your infodumping socially acceptable or even enjoyable.
And yet every other comment on this post is “just have confidence; change how you act and look and you’ll stop being rejected.”
It’s so silly to keep acting like attractiveness has zero to do with dating and likeability. Especially when there are permanent issues that are genetic or medical or whatever that go beyond “get a haircut and buy new clothes.” American society is super judgemental in general when it comes to appearance and aging (especially toward women), and identity. It gets much worse in the dating scene, especially now that it’s so frequently based on swiping left or right on a single photo and you’re competing with filters. Yes, there’s always the possibility of finding a group of people or a person that you fit in with, and you should always put work into finding that (if that’s something you want - not everyone wants to be paired off) but let’s stop throwing realism completely out the window ffs.
– a woman
Sounds like he’s figuring out the difference.
How many women are we talking about here? I got rejected by 40ish before I met my last girlfriend.
About 5.
That’s a good start. Don’t fear the man who suceeds the first time. Fear the man who has failed thousands of times.
Alcohol!
Alcohol is magical. It lowers her standards and raises your confidence. … I mean, alcohol is bad.
That circles back around to confidence
But being constantly rejected circles back to breaking down one’s confidence.
If it’s breaking down your confidence than you are not ok with rejection.
Is anyone truly ok with constant rejection?
People with healthy egos are able to register that someone does not want them as a romantic partner without having a crisis, yes.
I see I’ve upset some users today. This may seem like stating the obvious but clearly some people here need to hear it:
If you are emotionally devastated by rejection you likely do not have a healthy ego or self-image. This is the confidence part.
Assigning responsibility for fixing your self-image to a potential romantic partner is seeking external validation for an internal problem.
No amount of external validation will fix you. It will only feed the unhealthy expectations you’re already acting on.
Confidence is the external display of a healthy self-image (overconfidence is another example of external display of an unhealthy self-image).
Potential partners can sense your desperation for validation and it is not an attractive personality trait. It’s basically saying “I need you to do this emotional labor for me because I am not strong enough”.
No one wants to do your emotional work for you.
Surely there exists a middle ground between being devastated by rejection and not registering continuous rejection as, perhaps, a sign that the rejectors have a point.
Emotional resilience is great, but if people keep giving you the same feedback maybe they have a point (and you should try changing, rather than brute forcing your way through social interactions, hoping to get lucky).
I’m not saying that you’re denying this, so I am jumping over some discussion, but tbf I think we’re both doing it.
I don’t think this is your intent, but likely the reason people are annoyed by your comments is they come off as “have you tried NOT having emotional trauma?”. You might not mean them that way, but that’s how they read as an outsider to all this. Whether or not your strategy is a good one, dismissing people’s emotional experiences is never going to win anyone over or change minds. If you’d like to help people gain confidence, I would encourage you to meet them where they are, not where you are.
no it doesn’t
Yesn’t it does!
Fake it till you make it. Confidence still works, even if its faked
If romantic comedies have taught me anything, it’s to never take “no” for an answer, and it’s ok to stalk people because it will all just work out in the end when they realize what they’ve been missing this whole time.
Jeez I wonder if the prevalence of this trope could have overreaching social consequences
This is unironically how my grandparents met, did help that my grandfather was rather intelligent and decently competent. Shame he was a dumbass and gave himself lung cancer, wear a mask when working with aerosols it may save your life.
I love seeing how this crusty bastard devolves over time. I don’t know that anyone can make him look any worse at this point.
This version gives me Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark with the OG illustrations that were deemed “too scary” for children
His forehead constitutes 50% of his face but is relatively clean. We need more scabbed over zits.
his eyes are still pretty decent
There was an even worse version but it was pretty gory like actually fucking horrible
Wojack Rickety Cricket
Perhaps a shower and a haircut wouldn’t hurt.
I’ve seen way too many guys who think they’re uglier than they are. Confidence and Comedy really are great ways to have a shot, even if you’re faking the confidence. Its a tough lesson, but you DO need to sell yourself a little
Confidence in yourself takes work. Confident people are confident because they loved themselves first and you take care of those you love
nah you start by faking it and being ironically confident until you trick yourself and it becomes second nature. replace self deprecating humor with god complex humor until you believeeeee
yikes
I mean, 6 of one. If you feel better and aren’t a total dick to everyone I think that’s a win
Confident people are confident because they are handsome, therefore their advances work more often than not, leading to more confidence.
Confidence is not what makes someone attractive, it’s the other way around.
True confidence is the assurance that who you are is good enough, not that you’re perfect and need no improvement, but that if you’re doing your best to respect other people that you deserve the same.
If your “confidence” changes based on how others treat you, then it’s not truly self-esteem but rather pride and ego.
Sure real confidence does, but fake confidence is a good step on that path, and is better than none at all
Why do some people “love themselves first” and some do not?
Because it’s effort and not everybody is up to doing that work for one reason or another. We all have self doubt and it takes a lot to push past that sometimes
Some of it’s also probably situation based.
If you hit on every single person of the gender that you like at one gym, they’ll probably start to feel like you really just want just anyone who will say yes. They’ll probably feel like you don’t like them for them, and that you’re just trying to keep your bed warm. Most people who want relationships want to be with someone who likes them individually as a person. Try not to write “scripts” for the situation in your head too much, either. If you do, it might crash and burn the second that someone goes off of that “script”.
It’s kind of tragic how all of this has become. A relationship likely won’t fix any problems you might have with yourself, nor would it fix most of the other aspects of your life. A partner will also have their own needs and wants, and you should try to have room to provide some of that before you start dating.
Don’t listen to guys like Tate. If he really had good advice, more people from his fan base would be in a happy relationship now, no? He makes money by making you continue to watch his videos. That’s all he cares about. He’s giving you bad advice so he can keep making money off of your sadness. That’s not a bro thing to do.
Don’t follow the plot of any rom-coms. That behaviour is usually a fantastic way to get a restraining order and absolutely ruin any chances you might have had with that person.
Find the little things that make you happy. Gardening? MTG? Video games? Hockey? Drawing? MMA? Take the time to properly enjoy those things that you love with the people who are already around you. It will help build some of that confidence. Let youself be passionate about your hobbies sometimes. It’s ok, I promise.
Try not to worry too much if you mess up or if you ruin your chances with one person. There are over 8 billion people on earth, so there’s almost always someone else you can try with. NO ONE succeeds 100% of the time, and that is more than OK. That is human.
Don’t beat yourself up over not succeeding right away. Unless you are literally currently on your death bed, you still have time.
Outside of the dating stuff, be kind to youself, and try to make sure you’re taking care of yourself. Self care isn’t just fitness and healthy eating. Sometimes could be having pizza in the bath, sometimes it might be playing DnD over multiple continents, sometimes it might be watching cartoons, and sometimes it could even be something like skincare. Your happiness is important, and you should treat it as such.
As long as it doesn’t harm anyone else in the process, please do what you need to do to feel happy. Life is too short to pause your happiness for someone who hasn’t shown up yet. Life is too short to wait to improve things until you meet someone who hasn’t shown up yet.
You deserve happiness, and the sooner you acknowledge that, the better. Find happiness despite what life might throw at you. Try to find joy even in chaos, and always remember that bad feelings usually don’t last forever. You can get through these hard times.
That’s maybe the most helpful and positive thing I’ve seen on a shitpost. And honestly, I needed to hear some of that, so thank you.
Try not to write “scripts” for the situation in your head too much, either.
How else do you expect me to interact with people?
Take the time to properly enjoy those things that you love with the people who are already around you.
Who?
If you don’t have anyone, then look for hobby groups. There’s groups out there for almost any hobby, so you can get to know people through that. Doesn’t even have to be in person, if the thought of meeting new people irl triggers your anxiety. And if you’re bad at talking to people then you need to practice, fail and learn from your mistakes.
If you have the desire to improve, you’ll manage. Just take it slow and don’t force yourself to get into very uncomfortable or new situations right away. Like, for example, big parties.
Over time, you’ll get better at improvising during conversations and you’ll get more confident. And if there’s people who try to shit on you for trying your best, don’t worry. They’re actually a lot more insecure then you’ll ever be at that point.
There’s groups out there for almost any hobby, so you can get to know people through that.
This advice only works for normal people. I’ve been going to the weightlifting gym and the bouldering gym at least twice a week for 3 years now, and I didn’t meet anyone.
To be fair, I wouldn’t necessarily consider the gym a place to meet people either. Most people there just do their thing and go home. 😅
If you really want to connect with people there you could ask someone to either spot you or ask them about something else related to the gym. Although I would consider that pretty advanced already. Sometimes a simple greeting whenever you’re there or some small talk is enough practice for a while. Even if it’s just the person at the reception or the person that you see there all the time. It helps.
Personally, I was forced to get good at talking to people through my job, but I used to get literal panic attacks before making phone calls. I still stutter from time to time, but only when I’m not focused (which is hard for me too lol). Also, therapy helps a lot for certain things, group therapy can be good too (also can be great for meeting new people).
I sometimes compare life in general to an Elder Scrolls game in my mind. You start out with shit stats, maybe some bonus stats. And then you have to work on each of those things to get them to a decent level so you can fend for yourself. If I achieve something difficult, I sometimes imagine myself leveling up. Sounds, pop-ups, the whole thing. 😁
Sorry for the wall of text btw, it happened so quickly lol.
WHY ARE WE INCEL POSTING
Are we? I hate how everyone who struggles with relationships is instantly called an incel.
I wish there was a better way to distinguish between small-i incel (a life condition you’d like to change) and big-I Incel (a toxic social movement).
(a life condition you’d like to change)
Incel ideology is defined by the “involuntary” (the “In” in “Incel”). So by definition, saying that something can be changed, implies it is not involuntary. And not a part of the ideology.
Well, this meme is specifically promoting the notion that how attractive you look directly correlates to your ability to date people. When how you look is not the be all end all of dating.
This general concept of one’s “biologically ordained appearance” being incompatible with finding love and relationships is closely tied with incel ideology. The “black pill” is generally used to denote that you’re biologically and immutably so unattractive that you will never be able to “compete in the sexual marketplace.” Felt gross just typing that. It’s also attached to the conspiracy theory of “hypergamy,” that you’re so unattractive that even women of “comparable conventional attractiveness” won’t ever date you.
The message of the meme, that someone is so unattractive they can not date anyone at all, is not explicitly incel ideology, but that notion is closely tied to it. In all likelihood this meme was made by someone in the incel community or who regularly consumes incel content.
this meme is specifically promoting the notion that how attractive you look directly correlates to your ability to date people
There are behavioral studies showing this to be completely true. As someone who is honest about how I probably wouldn’t date an unattractive person, I freely admit this tracks; and, unlike incels, I absolutely don’t blame either gender for this fact. It’s just how our brains are wired.
ohh is there also a study defining exactly how ugly YOU are? or maybe you have some mental health issues and this is just more self deprecating talk?
that’s the issue here, mother fuckers keep saying “study study study fact fact fact ugly ugly ugly” but that speaks nothing to their own situation. you can abuse facts and research, and I see it literally every day: depressed people cherry pick negative evidence to support their worldview that they are worthless
Well, this meme is specifically promoting the notion that how attractive you look directly correlates to your ability to date people. When how you look is not the be all end all of dating.
How is that incel ideology? Incels hate women and think they are entitled to sexual relationships. This has nothing to do with believing dating potential directly correlates to physical attractiveness (which it does, at least for men).
If you wanna go ahead and read the rest of my comment I explain it lol
This is absolutely an incel meme unless you actually look like the guy in the bottom pic (in which case you probably have a few more important things that need addressing before seeking out a partner). And if you truly believe that you look like the guy, then see point number one.
How so? Incels blame women for their failures. I blame myself.
Well, then you’re not an incel. The “in” in incel means “involuntary”. Meaning that blaming onesself is, to a degree, acknowledging one’s own complicity in one’s circumstances, ie: voluntary. The defining trait of Inceldom is avoiding/denying responsibility for one’s own (lack of) happiness. The message of OPs meme, by implying that the guy on the bottom is unloveable (with or without confidence) is doing just that.
Well …it is in SHITposting…
why not just post swastikas then
It’s all he needs. You on the other hand… had better be a trillionaire. :-P
Lol this is hilarious!!!
That whole movie is an absolute gem
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Why the duck
Confidence is knowing that she’s not The One.
Ok, listen. A great attitude (what the meme calls ‘confidence’) will definitely improve your chances. This doesn’t detract from the fact that if you were to randomly ask a lot of people out, the vast majority of them would still say no because either they’re not looking for a partner or you’re not their type. The hard part is accepting that fact and continue trying without getting so emotionally exhausted that you no longer even want to try. Tinder makes this even worse, because it condenses dozens of rejections in a short amount of time, in a context that makes looks far more important than other worthwhile traits of yours.
Of course, having an ugly face, being poor and even having bad genetics will make things harder. But there are plenty of fat, ugly dudes and gals in happy relationships. If you see yourself in the meme, your worst enemy is not knowing how to get out of a pit of hurt and self-doubt, but it’s an enemy you can beat.
people who unironically post this shit are usually not ugly, just lack self esteem and think self-deprecating humour is funny (usually isn’t) and should listen to the advice and probably also learn that being rejected a lot is normal and it don’t mean you’re ugly to everyone unless you’re an actual asshole to everyone.
Basically the contrast was hilarious and it seemed like a good shit post
Are we sure it’s the contrast and not the hot gigachad that made you attracted to this meme?
