As climate-stoked disasters and record-breaking heat waves piled up after 2014, the sense of urgency among white evangelicals actually declined. Amazingly enough, the mounting evidence they saw or perhaps even experienced did less than nothing to convince them.
If they’re such big fans of heaven they should hurry up and get there. Leave the planet to those of us who need it.
My dad is one of those nuts. Can’t wait to make the planet unhabitantatble because then jesus will return.
Supposedly, all the Jews have to go back to Israel for that to happen. I’m a Jew. Ethnically. I’m an atheist though (like many American Jews). Not only am I never moving to Israel, I don’t even want to visit Israel. Fuck Israel. Sorry, Christians, Jesus ain’t coming back until you eliminate me first. Come at me!
please live a nice, long life.
and troll them at every opportunity.
I’ll do my best, thanks!
How’s God gonna feel when he finds out you trashed his place?
Exactly. He supposedly made them stewards of all his creation. Why would he reward them for doing the opposite?
So this is the Atheism community and dunking on christians is appropriate, but I just don’t see it in this case. At this point it doesn’t matter what you do. Buy an electric car, put up solar panels, grow all your food in your yard. You aren’t going to stop climate change. You aren’t even going to slow it down. According to this source we’ve already dumped over 1.5 trillion tons of CO2 into the atmosphere. This one says 2.4 trillion. About half of it has been absorbed into the oceans. The rest is driving an inexorable global warming. And we have no realistic way of removing that CO2. The best we have today is the Orca plant in Iceland which pulls 4,000 tons per year from the air. Occidental is promising another DAC plant that will remove 500,000 metric tons of CO2 per year. But given that we’re currently emitting about 40 billion tons per year, that’s not gonna do it. The climate is already reacting. People are already dying. James Hansen estimates that “Equilibrium global warming for today’s GHG amount is 10°C” unless we all just stop using fossil fuels and devote all our resources to removing CO2 from the air.
And I don’t think there was ever another way for this to play out. Our whole history has been about finding the next better way of feeding our families and growing our population. And then we find fossil fuels. Make them into fertilizer, use them to power farm equipment, industry, wars, they looked like a gift and we used them to fuel the biggest growth of our population in history. What nation would say “no, I’d rather use mules and dung for farming. It’s better for the earth.” There was never any alternative. You could even say that it’s our purpose as a species to find and consume all the available energy the planet has to offer. Now that we have around 8 billion people on the planet we have to keep using them just to feed ourselves.
No, I think if there were a god this would just prove that he hates us, knowing what would happen when we found fossil fuels and putting them there anyways.
So we just do nothing? we embrace it, and the death of our species as we know it?
You do understand, it’s not about stopping climate change. the climate is always changing- as always been changing, and it will never stop changing. But it’s about lessening our impact as much as we can, so the effects of that climate change happen at a pace we can actually adapt to.
It’s not about us, it’s about what we’re putting future generations through. and not doing something about it… is not an option.
I understand your feelings of horror at the idea of what is coming. Your desire to reduce our impact on the climate is commendable. I share it and have structured my life to cause the least impact I can. I have no children. I generate my own power renewably, etc. But like I was saying, it doesn’t matter. Every bit of fossil fuel I spare is going to be used by someone else. We make Paris accords and agreements and resolutions to reduce our consumption. But they are meaningless. Every time we make a 10% or 20% reduction in emissions per capita it is negated by growth in population. Our numbers continue to increase. And the CO2 we emit goes up every year.
The population of every other species on the planet is kept in check by limits on the resources available or they become a resource and are limited by predation. And so they live in balance with the environment, never exceeding the carrying capacity of the earth to support them. But we are clever enough to figure out how to use every available source of energy to keep increasing our population. We long ago exceeded the natural carrying capacity of the earth. We are now relying on fossil fuels to keep us alive. (I’ll skip arguing why basing the survival of your population on a non-renewable resource is a bad idea. See William Catton: Overshoot to read about that.) And so we are stuck in a catch-22 in a few different ways.
First of all, if we just stopped using fossil fuels we wouldn’t be able to produce enough food to sustain our numbers. We wouldn’t be able to transport the food to the people. And we wouldn’t be able to store it and cook it. Oh, but we don’t have to stop, just reduce, one might say. As I already mentioned, that doesn’t work. Every reduction we make is negated by more people needing to use their smaller amount.
The second catch-22 is the aerosol masking effect. Ironically our prodigious use of fossil fuels helps keep the earth cooler, but only as long as we continue to use them. Aerosols produced from fossil fuel use reflect a significant amount of solar radiation back into space. During the Covid-19 shutdown the reduced air traffic was enough to cause a noticeable increase in warming even though that is just one source of aerosols in the atmosphere.
And third, everyone deserves a chance at life. We are loath to say to the young “you can’t live as well as your elders because we have to stop using energy.” And there is no politically feasible way to control the growth of a population. China tried it and look how well that worked. We cannot control our population growth. It will continue to increase until some external force acts upon us to stop it. And with more people comes more energy use.
We already know that increasing CO2 is making climate change worse. We can’t stop increasing CO2 emissions. Ergo climate change will continue to get worse. I haven’t even mentioned how that’s going to effect us, the impacts it will have on crop production around the world. Suffice to say that no matter how much we want to fix the problem, we can’t. For decades scientists have been warning us we have to act now or it will be catastrophic. We never acted in a meaningful way. And now the consequences are upon us. There is no time to stop the car, we are already over the cliff. We just haven’t hit bottom yet.
